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Is it just me, or do these "API contracts and type safety guarantees" all call back to SOAP?

The core idea of SOAP was good. The ability to generate client and server code stubs from a single declarative file was great. I worked with SOAP extensively in early 2000s.

The problem that killed SOAP, to my mind, was growing complexity that eventually started to outweigh the benefits of the protocol. Not every implementation supported every new complication that, say, MS kept inventing, it hurt interoperability.

I think a modern sort-of-replacement for the SOAP's use case is GRPC. It eschews the heavyweight XML and tries to keep things simple, while staying reasonably typesafe, declarative, discoverable, and extendable.

Speaking from painful experience, gRPC is an absolutely terrible choice for client-server interactions. Google (its creator) discourages its use except for server-to-server, and Improbable labs' grpc-web library is handcuffed to brittle and rapidly-aging web tooling.

GRPC is compact; in some cases it's important.

What would you suggest, beyond the standard "ReST" and GraphQL, with OpenAPI as a declarative description?

For a compact message format being sent to browsers, you might look at messagepack, eg with https://github.com/msgpack/msgpack-javascript – it's essentially binary JSON, so it'd be compatible with OpenAPI specs.

I think the ser/des is slower than JSON in most browsers, but the message format is smaller.

Oftentimes, using a query parameter like `?exclude[]=…` or `?include[]=…` or similar to say "only get me these response fields, not the whole object" can be useful for this too (and then you still get JSON back).

Yes it's an interesting trend. I integrate with a good handful of systems in my current work and the most important ones we integrate with are SOAP based. The concepts behind a WSDL are great in theory, but they end up incorrect or unmaintained in practice (at least with the systems I integrate with). There's something freeing and flexible about a plain REST API that makes developing your own wrapper nice and simple, but if all communication is between internal systems, a contract based approach seems great.

All the way back to Apollo Domain.

Yes! SOAP wsdl, but json

WSDL

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