They do take care to avoid engaging with people who are opposed to their dominance on ideological levels ("no one should be the gatekeeper for that much of the internet", etc) and there are a small handful of questions they seem to avoid (e.g. direct feature-to-feature comparisons between Warp and Mullvad)
My guess would be their weird ‘site protection’ stuff is burning too many people and negatively impacting their reputation.
Here's a HN post with lots of very critical comments[0] from 7 years ago, including a fairly scathing one from 'tptacek. Even way back then, you'd get the same comments you hear today like:
> So rather than demand fixes for the fundamental issues that enable ddos attacks (preventing IP spoofing, allowing infected computers to remain connected, etc), we just continue down this path of massive centralization of services into a few big players that can afford the arms race against bonnets. Using services like Cloudflare as a 'fix' is wrecking the decentralized principles of the Internet. At that point we might as well just write all apps as Facebook widgets.
What's always been interesting to me about this take is it's not as though Cloudflare is randomly inserting themselves in internet traffic.
Cloudflare customers have choice in the marketplace and they chose Cloudflare for whatever reasons. If end-users take issue with accessing the site of a Cloudflare customer they should take it up with the owners of the site that chose Cloudflare. Theoretically the Cloudflare customer would take it up with them if it becomes problematic. Cloudflare has no obligation to the site end-users other than meeting the needs of their customer who does have obligation to their end-users (theoretically).
Cloudflare is, ostensibly, providing a solution for their customers. How that impacts their customer's end-users is between Cloudflare and the customer.
300 pops around the world delivering 210 Tbps of capacity, mitigation of some of the largest DDoS attacks in history, 20% of internet traffic. Workers, Pages, R2, D1, Zero Trust, Stream, Images, Warp, 1.1.1.1, etc, etc, etc - all at incredible scale.
But yes, of course you have been doing the exact same thing since before Prince was born.
Also DevOps crap is not a selling point, as much as hn wishes it to be.
Also fastly et Al have the same or better ability but nobody talks about them?
I'm not saying there isn't Cloudfront, Akamai, Fastly, Azure Edge/Verizon, etc. Hell UUNet, whatever you want. I'm saying the idea of someone providing hundreds of terabits of connectivity, connecting to over 12,000 networks, and supporting what is likely at least a billion users before Prince was born is completely absurd and impossible. There were only 118 million telephones worldwide in 1958 (the year Prince was born)[0].
I'm not referring to "DevOps crap". I'm referring to a wide product suite of functionality and geographic spread and scale that at best even 20 years ago would have taken an army of sysadmins and developers to build and maintain with a staggering fleet of Linux boxes running LAMP or whatever you prefer.
I was a very early Fastly customer (~2013 or so). I continue to look at them from time to time and what Oracle has done to them is atrocious (yet typical). They clearly have some usage and market share within that target market.
Speaking of market share, Cloudflare gets the most attention because they (by far) have the largest market share in terms of CDN/DDoS/etc and anything they do has the most significant impact on internet users at large. Depending on your source Cloudflare has roughly 50% of "CDN" marketshare, Fastly has something in the single digit percent range. Even Amazon CloudFront is around half that of Cloudflare.
Between Oracle and having less than 1/10th the market share that's why no one talks about Fastly. Compared to Cloudflare they're essentially irrelevant unless you're one of Oracle's enterprise customers that will deal with their sales people and tactics.
[0] - https://www.encyclopedia.com/science-and-technology/computer....
I was confused at first how Prince is relevant, but it seems GP is referring to the CEO of Cloudflare, Matthew Prince, who was born in 1974. (1958 appears to be the birth year of Prince the musician)
Not that it affects your point in any way.
Yet he was born in 1974 so I still maintain this is a ridiculous viewpoint.