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Of the reported primary school attacks over the last 20 years, 20/85 have occurred in the United States, 65/85 have occurred in other countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pri...

So much for "this is the only country where this happens".

Granted, some of these are "school stabbings" or "school bombings" or "school throwing kids out of a window", but the death tolls appear to be of similar magnitude. There are exceptions (e.g., Uvalde, where the death toll had more to do with police cowardice than choice of weapon).

The problem here isn't "guy has a gun", the problem is "guy wants to kill a bunch of people". Until the real problem is acknowledged, nothing is going to change.

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> So much for "this is the only country where this happens".

Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens. The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.

You:

> Which isn't what was said. What was said is this is the only country where this regularly happens.

I beg to differ. That's exactly what was said.

OP:

> The "this" there is no way to prevent, in the only nation where it happens, is school shootings. We are not just at the top of that list, we're at the bottom as well, because it doesn't happen anywhere else.

(emphasis mine)

You:

> The U.S. comprises 5% of the of the world's population yet endures 24% of the world's primary school attacks over the last 20 years.

That's not what those data show. Plenty of attacks in China, for example.

Why did you move the goalposts from "school" to "primary school"?

It's not moving the goalposts. I linked to that page because Wikipedia breaks the data out in to three separate pages, and I didn't want to confuse the issue. At a glance, the data for secondary and post-secondary schools don't appear to be different in any meaningful way (though I did not take the time to count).

Besides, even one example would be enough to refute the OP's claim that "it doesn't happen anywhere else".

The salient point is that this is NOT the only country where this happens. Not even close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_sec...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_pos...

I didn't want to confuse the issue

I’m sorry, but I do not believe you at all

I'm sorry, I don't care whether you "believe me" or not.

You: This is the only country where this happens.

Me: False. Here is some data that shows it happens in many other countries.

What is there to "believe" here? All that was necessary to refute you was to find ONE incident in another country. I found dozens. Linking to the other two lists (each of which also have many incidents in other countries) can only further destroy your incorrect assertion. There's no way those can magically make you right. Even if the other two both had zero (which they don't...far from it), that wouldn't matter in the slightest.

Take the L and move on.

The Onion, not me: "this is the only country where this regularly happens"

You: move every goalpost

All that was necessary to refute you was to find ONE incident in another country.

Is one isolated incident really all that is necessary to refute the Onion's assertion that this is the only country where this regularly happens?

Just referencing the statistic the parent commenter mentioned

the person who moved those goalposts was the same person who moved all the other goalposts (i.e., not the person you replied to)

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