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I find this attitude HNers often have to be so disappointing. It's not that hard to just appreciate someone's quirky hobby project even if you don't understand it.

We all have our own weird obsessions that don't necessarily make sense, but they don't have to.

After a certain point, the obsession becomes unhealthy. The guy clearly isn't enjoying his hobby anymore and is instead becoming a policeman trying to enforce his image of perfection onto an imperfect world.

Either pick up your ball and play elsewhere or accept the imperfections and work around them.

And since I can't reply thanks to HN lame posting too fast nonsense, this false equivalency on this site needs to stop.

If you're invested in your hobbies than you have immediate control of what's in your vacinity.

You cannot control others. You can influence them and encourage better behaviors.

But unless you become a cop or in this case get hired by peloton to find cheaters, you're fighting a losing battle. This guy's obsession with his hobby is comical. I almost want to buy the hardware to troll this guy with nearly impossible records and then find ways to work around his tricks.

Why? Because I can but I have more important things to spend my money on. Others in that hobby are sure to see this guy, laugh at his OCD, and troll the ever loving hell out of him.

> Is "Accept the imperfections and work around them" how you approach all of your hobbies? Are you not invested in any of them?

Yes, yes it is. Because they're HOBBIES and fretting over them to this level leads to unhealthy behaviors and obsessions like the bike guy seething about cheaters. Go outside and touch grass. It's better for your mental health.

He's trying to improve the thing he enjoys, that isn't unhealthy and does not in any way imply that he doesn't enjoy his hobby anymore.

Is "Accept the imperfections and work around them" how you approach all of your hobbies? Are you not invested in any of them? Since wanting to improve things is a pretty normal aspect of being invested in anything, especially a hobby.

I thought about flipping your comment into one that encourages people to not comment online to prove a point, but to find someone outside and do the real thing, but that'd be rude.

Now- I don't disagree that going outside is more desirable to me than this. Through the lens of playing a video game, cheating sucks. People that cheat suck and sour the experience for others. If it makes him happy to ruin these people's game like they've ruined his-- I'm good with it. If he's doing this to make his own experience more enjoyable-- I'm good with it. Either way, this was an interesting article. It was well written, and it gave me a window into something I will probably never choose to enjoy.

Yes cheating sucks but becoming a policeman to enforce ones image of perfection onto an imperfect world is when the obsession becomes unhealthy.

Either work to improve your own stats and accept that people will cheat.

Or pick up your ball and go play elsewhere - in this case a real life outdoor activity where cheating isn't as easy as hooking a motor inside.

Or maybe have fun being a policeman and enforcing your image of perfection if thats what you want. If cheating is acceptable, surely that is too.

Okay, then you get into fights over how many grams your bike is below UCI weight, everyone is tested for steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs, your bike is torn down after your second-place finish so they can search for the hidden electric motor, and turns out your aero bars are 3mm too long so, welp, say goodbye to your victory.

This is what competition is like. It has nothing to do with "virtual" vs "real" sports, and everything to do with human nature.

Nice false equivalency, the bar for cheating is far higher and riskier in real life biking than say hooking up a motor to an indoor stationary bike.

Lance got caught and his professional image ruined but he was a professional.

If you're willing to inject mystery chemistry into yourself to win a amateur bike racing torneys then that's on you.

HN posters need to take the L and learn to just be your own competition instead of forcing your world view on others.

I’ve had to do a lot of my rides indoors due to the Seattle weather and drivers. There are times I don’t feel safe riding outside due to the lack of infrastructure.

This is coming from someone who logs 200 miles outdoors in the summer.

Definitely better to be outside, but for many people that is too dangerous.

Especially when air quality is hazardous in many places, particularly around high motor vehicle traffic areas.

This is what I did when I found out that other people were aimbotting in CS:GO. I went outside and shot some real people instead.

Nothing can substitute for the real thing, guys.

Well, if they were the people aimbotting, that would be an effective solution to the problem.

You're trolling but...

Airsoft and paintball games are a pretty good real life FPS equivalent and more importantly it forces you to get physically fit as opposed to sitting on your bum clicking.

I recommend watching some actual airsoft and paintball games on YouTube. They're about as close to the real thing that you'll get.

You know, the rise in popularity of airsoft was probably driven as much by people coming from 3rd person shooter games as it was people wanting a more realistic military force-on-force simulation than paintball.

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