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Benjamin Franklin was very worried about German immigrants in the US and he described them as "less intelligent", "aliens" and that they won't assimilate. Fast forward few decades later/centries later, Germans are one of the most successful immigrants group in the US, industrialising the country, creating financial institutions, and becoming military and political leaders, giving US presidents and generals. Recently, Asian immigrants created Silicon companies. One of them is a trillion dollar company called Nvidia.
France has a huge success story with immigrants as well, the poles (Marie Curie), the Italians, the Portuguese, North Africans, etc.
There are certain issues here and there, especially with unregulated modern mass migration, but in my opinion, that's not a true representation of real immigration that has always happened since the beginning of time.
The fact that Sweden has integration issues with mass migration from war-torn Syria is a special case.
Oh boy, I would like to hear the "success story" even much more than I would like to continue discussing other things :)
Just because you blatantly state something without anything supporting your POW, doesn’t make it a truth.
But blaming “far-right xenophobes” for what happened to France is something I haven’t seen before. Indeed human delusions have no borders whatsoever.
>Just because you blatantly state something without anything supporting your POW, doesn’t make it a truth.
Open a damn history book, do I have to mention 20 centuries of history?
> But blaming “far-right xenophobes” for what happened to France is something I haven’t seen before.
Well far-right people have been making sure immigrants are not welcome, make them life miserable, ruin their own existence, present them with fewer job opportunities, lie about their reason of being in the country, laugh at them, insult them, make sure they are not welcome in any other neighborhood than the ghettos they have been parked in in the sixties, make sure the schools in these neighborhoods are underfounded, make them has hard as possible to be integrated as school.
Then oh surprise, after 70 years of this shit, they complain that a fraction of these immigrants have turned sour, extremists or are criminals.
What makes you think you have rights to decide what people France needs and what doesn’t?
Can’t believe discussions on HN have deteriorated that far.
But nice try reversing the semantics.
I’ll end the discussion right here. It’s with sadness we must admit european future is very grim
The US is extremely successful (well economically, anyway..)
Because of immigration it will mostly avoid the aging issue (based on current predictions it should surpass China in population by the end of the century)
Most european countries, at their economic height, were the products of centuries of immigrations and invasions.
> It's a huge shame to observe what Europe has turned into with it's immigrant policies
What is a shame is how xenophobic people made of europe with their anti-immigration anti-acceptation practices and turned immigrants against them to make it worse for everyone.
The West is in decline, and they're sealing their own fate because they're allowing themselves to be bullied, turning the other cheek out of politeness.
Most people I interact with that trust me enough to open up to me say as much. They're just being bullied and gaslit by niceness and the media.
And the only answer you can give them is: deal with it, they are already here, have all rights to be here and will stay.
It makes me think about those retards who think they can forbid homosexuality. You like it or not gays exists, have been for millions of years and will forever. Even in countries when it is repressed.
Even oysters are smarter than those people you are talking to.
They are just stupid and called for that. That is not bullying.
What do "other religions mean"? Anything but christianism? Christianism came in europe from immigration duh.
Why shouldn't they be allowed to protect that culture if they want? Why does every country have to standardised down to some global culture that is all the same?
Of course we know the answer, that makes for a great global market and government, but it's amazing how it's the left that's actually advocating for this these days.