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C# is a better language, but the JVM is a significantly better ecosystem. Java will always be behind (and type erasure for generics is annoying enough as someone who started in C# that I don't think it will ever catch up) but between hotspot and being the preferred language of 2/3rds of the clouds I think it clearly wins.

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Type erasure is why there's such a rich ecosystem of 3rd party languages that run on the jvm.

Meaning that it would be harder for those languages on the clr because of generics? Would typing all generics as Object not be essentially equivalent?

   type erasure for generics is annoying

I too have spent significant time programming in both C# and Java. This complaint about type erasure in Java: When does it affect your daily life? There are so many craft workarounds available now that it hardly comes up anymore.

Also, would your opinion of Java significantly change if type erasure was removed or never existed?

I have much more experience in C# then Java FWIW, so you're welcome to take my opinions with a grain of salt. I've had a couple of really annoying errors with Beam serializers that took me way longer to debug then I thought was worthwhile.

I think it is a worse choice, it's too ingrained in the language and ecosystem to change. That and a couple of other nits would likely make me pick Java over C# or Go if I was starting a new project going forward.

If you like jvm, use closure instead.

Sorry you’re down voted. Closure might not be what the author is looking for.

There are a lot of languages you can use with the JVM, Closure is one of them, Groovy, Scala and Kotlin are some more. Kotlin is gaining a lot of traction, especially since it’s backed by JetBrains.

Clojure*

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