The Amazon rainforest was really lucky Bolsonaro was not re-elected to a second term, nor the attempted January 8 coup succeeded.
What effect would this have had?
He might actually end up in jail because of his plans to do a coup. We'll have to wait and see.
I don't doubt he'll end up in jail but I don't think they'll arrest him for that. Of all the extremely dumb shit he's said and done, they rendered him ineligible for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting system. I bet whatever they arrest him for will be an equally inconsequential non-crime. It's like the courts are trying to be ironic. They'll probably give him 22 years of jail too just because it's his party's number.
> they rendered him ineligible for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting system.
Again, this is a lie, or denying reality:
Bolsonaro systematically attacked the Brazilian voting system, which he has been elected for thirty years (before becoming President).
In 2021, he used the State Television to spread lies about the voting system and saying that If the printed vote was denied by our Congress he will never touch in such subject, another lie by him[0].
In July 2022, he stated that he won the elections in the first turn, saying he had concrete proof about it, which he has never shown. Moreover, in the same month he called ambassadors from 70 countries to spread more lies and question the validity of the Brazilian vote machines[0], which rendered him convicted for Electoral crime. Here is an except from the Electoral Supreme Court Minister Benedito Gonçalves's referendum[1], a rough Google Translate:
"I consider the request to convict the first person investigated, Jair Messias Bolsonaro, partially valid for the practice of abuse of political power and misuse of media in the 2022 elections, due to his direct and personal responsibility for the illicit conduct carried out for the benefit of his candidacy for re-election. I declare your ineligibility for 8 years following the 2022 election."
Reference again in Brazilian Portuguese:
0. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/relembre-vezes-em-que-...
1. https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2023/06/27/relator-vot...
“We're discussing which edge of the flat Earth we're going to jump off.”
That's literally your approach to discussing all matters in this thread.
Reference:
0. https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2021/06/02/estamos-dis...
Your excerpt for example makes the persecution of Bolsonaro obvious to everyone on this site. "Abuse of political power"? What made up nonsense is this? That's ridiculous. It's just like the totally arbitrary fines and censorship they imposed on Google for the crime of posting a link on their own homepage. "Abuse of market position" they called it. It's painfully obvious that these judges wanted to destroy the guy. One judge even bragged about it in public. Unashamedly. Who's denying reality? Your posts border on gaslighting.
The link you just posted is yet another example. I was a very vocal critic of Bolsonaro's handling of the pandemic during his mandate. So I actually agree with what Dr. Luana Araújo said in that news article. That's why I think it's hilarious that of all the dumb things he said and did he went down for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting machines.
https://www.jusbrasil.com.br/noticias/podem-os-juizes-legisl...
You're apparently incapable of seeing the fact that the judges have essentially given themselves power to legislate, investigate and judge. They've been doing it ever since one particular publication attacked them and they show no signs of stopping any time soon. It was painfully obvious during the election but it started much earlier than that.
https://www.conjur.com.br/2022-nov-27/inquerito-fake-news-st...
If you can't see this, it's pointless to continue this thread.
It wasn't for a lack of popular support, I'll tell you that. I watched many of my countrymen get on their knees and beg for military intervention. Way too many of them. On brazilian independence day, I saw an insane number of people on the streets because of him. I thought brazilian nationalism was dead and buried until I saw that. It got to the point they tried to make it illegal to associate the holiday with Bolsonaro. All those people, they would have supported him. I'm sure of that.
Relationship with Venezuela
If only there had been a coup. They're all being punished for attempting one anyway. Might as well have tried, right?
Not a single protest in the history of the redemocratization (1988) had a protest that destroyed the buildings from the three powers.
I think it's far more likely that it was a false flag operation from the start designed to justify the judiciary dictatorship we're currently living under. How else could we possibly go from a democracy to a state where a supreme court judge can openly and publicly showboat to an audience about defeating Bolsonaro alongside his fellow judge-kings? Can you imagine a US supreme court judge openly bragging about defeating Trump, stopping his campaign its tracks?
And don't accuse me of "spreading misinformation". Everything I post here, I post in good faith because it's exactly what I think. I simply do not agree with you. You're not on brazilian social media. Either reply to me with respect or don't reply to me at all.
"[...]designed to justify the judiciary dictatorship we're currently living under."
That's literally the fake news spread in far-right media, which seems you are consuming too much. Just because you don't agree with a decision done by the Supreme Court on Brazil (STF) doesn't mean it's a dictatorship.
If you feel I caused any damage to you by point facts in your commentaries, you have the right to sue me, and I will have all the instances of defense garantee by our constitution :)
> I will have all the instances of defense garantee by our constitution :)
What a joke. There is no constitution in this country. There's only the judge-king's whims. Whatever he writes on his paper is law. If I were to sue you, I'd succeed only in getting myself persecuted. So I'll flag your posts and stop responding to you. Goodbye.
> There is no constitution in this country.
There is and was promulgated in 1988.[0]
> The supreme court has been grabbing power for years now and last year during the elections they committed blatantly unconstitutional acts in defense of their candidate including censorship the likes of which haven't been seen in this country since the military dictatorship.
The TSE, the court you are referring to alongside with social medias, removed around three hundreds posts containing fake news, that so small that yet 79% Brazilians had contact with fake news[1], how is that a dictatorship?
You are downplaying the dictatorship that happened in 1964 on Brazil. People were exiled/killed, ALL media were censored. I beg anyone who wants to know more about the coup of 64 read the wikipedia page is a good start on the subject, you will see how horrible and bloody it was. Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_in_Bra...
These references are in Brazilian Portuguese language, I'm sorry for it.
[0] https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitui%C3%A7%C3%A3o_brasi...
[1] https://www.terra.com.br/byte/tse-nao-conseguiu-barrar-fake-...
Many a coup started with the people believing in lies.
In fact, that's usually what happened historically.
I believe it was actually an attempt to do this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%932016_protests_in_...
I think it's likely that the government took advantage of this context to create the perfect pretext for everything they're doing right now. There's a parliamentary investigation into the truth of these riots, latest news I have of that is that the security camera footage of that day has been mysteriously lost. I bet the CIA still has copies though. The footage was requested early this year, government stalled as much as it could but then Lula made some anti-Ukraine comments and soon after images of his people being friendly with the protesters mysteriously made its way to the CNN. I wouldn't be surprised if US agencies like the CIA were responsible for that.
The images that could prove either your “theory” or that Bolsonaro tried to, with Delgatti hacker know for the operation “Spoofing”, in some ways crack the voting machines are lost because of a technical decision done in Bolsonaro's government[0]. Bolsonaro's government is also known for using a law of National Security which a President can decree secrecy for one hundred years for his allies and info that could prove he lies to his followers[1].
Transparency is one of the values described in Brazil's Constitution[2], that the parent still deny btw.
Reference in Brazilian Portuguese, I'm sorry again HN audience:
0. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/governo-nao-tem-imagen...
1. https://www.poder360.com.br/governo/relembre-casos-em-que-o-...
2. https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Constituicao/Constitui...