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I’ve had problems with e-commerce as well. Recently I tried this with Nike & the checkout phase was trying to read all my sensors, canvas, etc. were all being hit & failing according to the console. Disabling fingerprinting let me get ‘further’ but even disabling uBlock, something on my network was blocking some other piece of tracking spyware & I couldn’t complete the checkout. I reported it to customer service & later got an no-reply email response from their technical teams saying I should “disable your anti-virus, then proceed with the checkout, and reenable when the purchase was complete”. Funny since I don’t run an anti-virus on Linux just being careful but already having a lot of malware blocked by my system/router/DNS. What’s also funny is that you don’t need to fingerprint me to prove its me since I’m already on an authenticated account, so what are they doing with that fingerprint? Ultimately, I traded a Hong Kong pie to a friend to do the purchase on my behalf as he doesn’t care about his online privacy—and I got to add noise to his purchase history with my own.

When are we going to get e-commerce & e-banking to stop being so hostile towards consumers?

> When are we going to get e-commerce & e-banking to stop being so hostile towards consumers?

"We" won't because the vast majority of internet users don't care about privacy. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

You and I, however, are free to vote with our wallets. I literally will not buy from a company or brand that tries to take advantage of me in some way, even if the alternatives are worse somehow. It's a drop in the bucket, but it's all I can do.

(And before someone mentions it, no, shouting about it on social media is not a valid action to take, because social media is where everybody shouts about everything all the time.)

Don’t care or are ignorant about why they should care (even when they “have nothing to hide”)? I think this part of the these conversations get lost. Consumers care about privacy, even if just at a surface level as we’ve seen the megacorps change their messaging to trick folks into feeling they are safer. These consumers just don’t know what is at stake when they do something ‘foolish’ like running not using an ad blocker, browsing with Google Chrome, emailing with GMail, chatting in Discord, hosting code with Microsoft GitHub, sharing their contacts with WhatsApp, tweeting on X/x-ing on Twitter, etc. When it comes to e-commerce, often it’s the only way to get items now & when it comes to banks, they’re all blocking root “for our safety” but users not understanding their value doesn’t mean there is no value.

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