As evidenced by the large numbers of production html and css apps that are outcompeting their competitors who use modern web technologies with greater product quality, and the swathes of customers who state their preference for these experiences.

But seriously I have no idea of a single remotely well-known application that satisfies the above. If the modern web is so bad where are the products that prove that it can be done better more simply? There’s billions to be made if that’s true in all industries, is nobody skilled capable of capitalizing on this gold mine of opportunity wherein the entire industry is self sabotaging?

I’m left to conclude that these HN commenters with their hot takes about how the modern web sucks just generally either don’t understand what makes products successful or never have truly experienced the issues these frameworks solve for.