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I love Microsoft, but I hate whoever is controlling all these awful choices for their OS. Lets be real its probably a marketing team trying to sell office and whatever else. I just want a version of Windows for actual professionals with no nonsense on it. Slim it down, make it feel like I'm on a 2023 machine with the minimalism of like idk Windows XP or Windows 7. No nonsense.

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You can’t “love Microsoft” as if it is a homogeneous entity whilst carving out sections of it for the purpose of attributing everything you’re against. Not only is this simply a sign that Microsoft is a bloated old tech company like a bunch of others, looking to make more money, but it is also consistent with a pattern of Microsoft’s behaviour over the last few decades.

I can appreciate the good utilities they build can I not?

I love Visual Studio, and I love .NET which went way more open source than I thought it would, I for sure assumed it would be licensed under the MS-PL which is far less demanding than the GPL but not as a free as MIT, but no, they went straight for the MIT license.

https://github.com/dotnet

Every single repo is MIT licensed.

I also appreciate VS Code, I know some people will still find some reason to hate on it, but its blatantly clear that it has taken the industry, the number of times I meet a developer who loves using it for programming is much higher than the number of developers I used to see using literally any other range of editors, it all seems to be uniform towards VS code. If you take away the OS, Microsoft still builds amazing products.

I also enjoy Azure more than I do thinking about what half of AWS services mean or do. I seriously have to google a service every time someone brings one up just to remind myself what its for. I rarely do that with Microsoft services, some of it is I'm used to them, but some services have blatantly obvious names as well.

I'm in the same boat; I want to love Microsoft, but it seems internally split into two very opposing groups with very different ways of thinking.

I swear by a lot of their developer tooling and open source work but abhor the Windows ecosystem

Remember back when Nadella took over Microsoft. HN was all over it like the second coming of Jesus. I complained that it doesn't change the organisation and this is just marketing. I was completely right. I remember being downvoted over and over again suggesting this is the end game of the takeover and the push that was promoted.

Microsoft wants to be a subscription company and will try and funnel you down any route to keep that revenue. Shareholders and management are driving this because the platform was the product and the product is worth absolutely fuck all at the end of the day. Ergo now it's a subscription delivery mechanism for Office, OneDrive and Edge etc which are all data gathering mechanisms themselves.

Being downvoted doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong, it can also mean that people just didn't like what you wrote. In the light of some positive news, keeping the same negative attitude towards an entity may invoke dislike. If later it becomes clear that you were right doesn't make that first reaction unjustified. Being downvoted is for me usually an urge to rethink how I'm saying things rather than what I'm saying, although, as always, YMMV.

I mean, you were wrong and he was the second coming of Jesus in many ways. The Microsoft of today isn't the Microsoft of yesteryear.

It just doesn't change the fact that they're in the advertising business, and that the advertising business is really lucrative so they started pushing for it hardcore.

> I hate whoever is controlling all these awful choices for their OS.

That’s Microsoft. They control their own software.

I mean, I work for a company that has amazing developers, but its all marketing driving things at the end of the day. So no, it's not as simple as blaming the company. There are people who are literally dreading as they write the code to features we all love to hate.

> I love Microsoft, but I hate whoever is controlling all these awful choices for their OS.

“If only the tsar knew!”

Not a marketing team trying to sell Office. They're trying to grow in the advertising sector, which means funneling people into Bing, since search ads are really profitable.

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