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I see no mention of water proofness . To me, using a non-waterproof phone would be more wasteful even if it is a fairphone, because of the inevitable risk that it will be destroyed by moist too early. I must be able to cycle and run in the rain without risk to the phone.

So, I'm afraid I'm sticking with my Sony for now :/

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> I must be able to cycle and run in the rain without risk to the phone.

I've had a Fairphone 3 since its release, have cycled (& walked) in the rain plenty (I live in Ireland) and have not had a single issue of any kind. I've always presumed IP ratings were for more extreme water-related use than rain (accidental drop in puddle, momentary underwater snaps, etc.). I've never had water damage to any phone I've owned from rain, going back long before IP ratings were a thing.

Well, I also want to be able to swim home from work if someone blows up all the bridges in Stockholm :) (Working on the north side of lake Mälaren, living on the south side).

It states IP55 in the specification, so don't take it for a dive.

The specs say IP55 None of my phones have been destroyed by moisture so it's not "inevitable"

Which IP category does "water-proof" mean? I'm not an expert.

The several last Samsung Galaxy and iPhone are rated IP68. While it's considered water-resistant, it's usually called water-proof for a phone.

Usually, you'll want IP X6 to begin calling it water-proof.

Spare parts are expensive too. Fairphone 4 display is selling at 75 Euro. Samsung Galaxy M20 replacement screen that have same specs costs 25$.

I cannot believe the Samsung screen is so cheap. Is it genuine? Is it easy to replace yourself?

Displays are the 2nd (sometimes 1st!) most expensive part of any phone (after mobo) - 75 as a % of the overall cost of the Fairphone is not a high %.

The Galaxy M20 retails at a third of the price of the FP4...

I can't find any Samsung prices for the M20 screen. There are plenty of off-brand Chinese displays to be found, but none of them seem to have any guarantee of being genuine, original parts.

If you're willing to go for a subpar screen replacement I suppose that's cheaper, but the two products serve completely different markets. A promise to keep a stock of replacement parts comes with higher prices, stripped screens from Chinese recyclers can sell replacement screens for much cheaper as long as supplies last.

Yea... my last 3 phones died because of water.

My last one too. It was waterproof, but what good is it if the damn thing is at the bottom of a lake!

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