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I still don't understand how some people think it's reasonable that car malfunctions are hand waved away as "it's a beta." We're not talking about an Early Access game on Steam here. We're talking about death machines that weight thousands of pounds.

Beta software shouldn't be on the road where other people can be impacted by it. Want to run into the back of a fire truck? Fine by me. Just do it on a track (and record it). I'll laugh from my computer chair rather than being potentially exposed to it on the road.

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Critically defective products routinely get handwaved away here with “Well, software has bugs, what can ya do?” As if that’s some law of physics.

100%. It feels as if some people can't turn off that SDE switch in their brain. If you have a bug in your microservice, fix it and deploy a new container. That doesn't work with actual bodies.

Does Steam Early Access require an always-on camera that tracks your eye movement, warns if you look away, and locks you out if you ignore the warnings?

Teslas monitoring system is about as effective as Oceangate’s continuous monitoring system.

From one of the posts above. The monitoring system could not detect if a person was in the seat or not, and would autonomously drive with a giant teddy bear, a giant unicorn and a completely empty seat and repeatedly hit a moving object the size of a child.

>Except for the part where they can not even detect trivial cases. One of the easiest possible cases, a giant teddy bear in the seat “holding” the wheel (by attaching a simple weight to the wheel), is determined to be a attentive driver [1]. A T-ball and they strike out. The inability to robustly solve simple, obvious cases and not failing safe is indicative of a sloppy development and validation process that is incompatible with the deployment of a safe safety-critical device. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPMoLmQgxTw

When someone who doesn't have a giant undisclosed conflict of interest does the testing, it works well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otknSUQ4ICY

Still, clever bypasses need to be taken seriously. Fortunately, Tesla has a track record of doing just that and closing loopholes: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/zv5xp9/a_warni

A bypass that requires completely vacating the driver seat is probably not easy enough to be widely exploited. If you have evidence to the contrary, please do tell, but while we are exchanging memes, let's review the Green Hills Software standard of excellence, just to contextualize the shade they throw: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UdSVMgay0MI

People deliberately bypassing the system doesn’t mean it’s not effective. Seatbelts are also pretty effective unless you don’t put them on and then put some duct tape across your chest to fool police officers.

No. It also doesn't run into fire trucks, killing the driver and hurting the first responders just trying to do their already dangerous job.

Early Access also doesn't attempt to run a red light because 'cars are supposed to go straight' when they're taking a protected left hand turn.

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