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To take you literally for a moment: if anyone can claim land across a border, based on a historical grievance, then no border would stand. 70 years without a border war in Europe, so yeah we should try to push that water back up the hill. Otherwise a recursive "I would like my land back please."

Kosovo, Northern Ireland, Cyprus

70 years? I wish I was living in that Europe

Whatever a person's stance on ongoing political events or active conflicts, punishing them en masse for choosing to be born on the wrong side of an arbitrary border is nonsensical.

And it’s antithetical to western values. Historically, we don’t do collective punishment - yet here we are.

> Historically, we don’t do collective punishment

Of course we do. We regularly sanction countries in ways which are designed to pressure the civilian population into overthrowing their government.

I'm sorry but having observed this since 24/02, collective punishment is very much part of the actual Western values.

(Disclaimer: I'm a Russian émigré, not in the West myself but have friends there.)

Ethnic cleansing of North America, Slave codes, yellow peril, Japanese internment, red scare, islamophobia, red scare 2.0 (ongoing), yellow peril 2.0 (ongoing)

And that's just USA.

What is "historically" supposed to mean here?

What you actually do to protect sacred 1991 borders of Ukraine? Are you helping children, who lost parts of their body, for example?

That was tongue in cheek/sarcasm. I think it's insane people are dying for this.

If a killer will break-in a house and kill someone, it's not about doors or walls.

This wasn't a killer that broke in and killed someone.

This was more like going to an old friend and asking for something you left there years ago.

The Russian military are literally killers breaking into Ukraine and killing people.

I'm pretty sure the first shot was fired by Ukrainians.

Girkin was first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Girkin

Oh god no. Ukraine DOES NOT WANT TO BE RUSSIA. They got that experience, it sucked awfully.

This is like an emancipated child being abducted.

There are people living on that land, it's not a "thing".

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