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"You" the average human, but then you challenge me to provide something better? Weird.

I wouldn't write something as bad as this poem, and I'm not even a poet!

No, my art style is not "simple", but it's not photorrealistic either (this style you showed isn't photorrealistic either, mind you).

Without taking away how the current AI image generators work, which is impressive, I find good human artists are better. And the AI is taking from them, anyway. It's one thing to say "draw like van Gogh", and another entirely to be van Gogh for the first time.

Comparing an algorithm to "average people" makes no sense. Some people are not creative at all, so maybe a clever chimp is more creative! A vector-graphics game from the 80s-90s is better than most people at drawing vector art, so what? This is not how meaningful creativity comparisons work.

Creativity is not measured in speed either. If this is the metric you're using, I can see the source of our disagreement.

Yeah why not challenge you? I assume your average. That's not wierd at all.

If you wouldn't write something as bad as the poem then write something better.

LLMs are taking away from artists simply because in the eyes of consumers they are roughly equivalent if not better. Who's to say your judgement is better then the judgement of consumers of art?

Why not compare algorithms to the average person? It's certainly better then comparing to some off the charts anomaly of a person. What you're not seeing is that an LLM beating average people is already proof it's creative. But then again LLM art surpasses even those that are above average.

Creativity is not measured in speed. This I agree. But that was not my point. My point was, speed is allowing LLMs to supply me with an endless array of proof and examples. Speed is preventing you from providing anything. It's your word against actual example outputs created by chatGPT or stable diffusion.

> Yeah why not challenge you? I assume your average. That's not wierd at all. If you wouldn't write something as bad as the poem then write something better.

Because, like I explained, I'm not at your beck and call. I'm not ChatGPT; you cannot order me to do things for your amusement.

> LLMs are taking away from artists simply because in the eyes of consumers they are roughly equivalent if not better.

You are making a wildly unsupported claim ("equivalent if not better"). Also, people who enjoy art are not "consumers" nor is art a "product". Your mindset is all wrong about this, which might explain why you're so easily satisfied with AI art.

> Why not compare algorithms to the average person?

Because a completely dumb algorithm that takes paragraphs from random texts in Project Guttenberg, without paying much attention to fine coherence, is already producing something "better" than the average person. Yet nobody, not even you, would call it a breakthrough in neither AI nor creativity.

This is not how meaningful discussion about creativity will happen.

By the way, the onus is on you. You made an extraordinary claim, it's on you to provide a convincing example. I don't have to "provide" anything (yet).

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