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Ask yourself a simple question - do you really know what RFK Jr stands for, or are you basing your comment on the headlines designed to silence him?

Here are just a few facts about his platform and what he believes that blew me away.

- Will pardon Assange day 1

- Will pardon Snowden day 1

- End the war in Ukraine by brokering a peace deal ASAP, and prevent the 'forever war' from continuing (there or elsewhere).

- Create an executive order to roll back Citizen United, as soon as possible (the ruling that made it so corporations are ‘people’ and that opened up unlimited donations).

- Create an executive order to roll back the pharmaceutical act from 1997 which destroyed our free press.

- RFK Jr is fully vaccinated excluding COVID, as are all 7 of his children some of which chose to get the COVID vaccine, which he left to each to decide); his stance is simply to test vaccines the same way non-vaccine medicines are tested.

- Clean house at the CIA, FBI, NIH, FDA, and virtually all federal branches that are no longer serving us, but the companies that donate massive sums of money to them.

- Decrim both weed and hallucinogens

- Stop further infringement on our 1st Amendment rights (worth watching, last week's subcommittee meeting 'Weaponizing the Government' censorship hearing in which they tried to censor RFK from speaking at all, and then during his own party members tried to censor him by calling for an Executive Meeting, which would have made the hearing private and televised).

Lastly, he has sued Monsanto multiple times and won.

'History has shown us that the people censoring are never the good guys' - RFK Jr.

> Ask yourself a simple question - do you really know what RFK Jr stands for, or are you basing your comment on the headlines designed to silence him?

I’m basing my opinion of him on the way he routinely spouts gibbering nonsense, the media doesn’t need to lift a finger to make him look bad.

Simply not true, feel free to back up your baseless claim with a link to him speaking gibberish. You won’t find one even going back 15 years or more.

You’re either misinformed or willfully lying.

he accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of using the pandemic to trigger a "coup d’état against Western democracy." (in his book The Real Anthony Fauci)

he claimed pandemic restrictions were worse than nazi germany ("you could at least hide in the attic like Anne Frank". She was sent to a concentration camp and died after being discovered.

On HIV and AIDS: he explicitly blames HIV on vaccine research. "Kennedy then claimed that “the medical research on these diseases and vaccine research has actually created some of the worst plagues in our history. Anybody who reads The River will come away pretty much convinced that HIV also came from a vaccine program, there’s plenty of evidence on that as well.”"

These are all quoted directly attributed to him, so it's hard to see how we're misinformed.

Right and he wrote a whole book on it and cited facts with multiple papers backing up his claims.

And ask yourself this - how is it that that book is still sold if it’s all bullshit?

That was one of the many things bouncing around the back of my head as I smugly dismissed him until I watched the Lex Fridman podcast.

Look, I used to think exactly like everybody on hacker news, until I actually listen to the man. Do I agree with everything he says, no, but pretty close… And if you take the time to actually listen to him, you’ll find that he’s pretty reasonable on every single topic. And he’s willing to change his position if anybody can refute and/or provide actual evidence to do so. No one has.

This is why no one will debate him either by the way, isn’t that a little curious? A.k.a. nobody from the virology community. Because they simply can’t refute him based on actual science and facts.

Seriously go listen to rfk on Lex Fridman, if you don’t, then you will never really know the truth will you? And I personally prefer the Lex Fridman podcast but he’s been on Joe Rogan and numerous other podcasts over the last few weeks and truthfully they’re all excellent.

> Right and he wrote a whole book on it and cited facts with multiple papers backing up his claims.

> And ask yourself this - how is it that that book is still sold if it’s all bullshit?

Give me an hour on Amazon and I could find dozens, if not hundreds, of similarly "qualified" books on:

- UFOs, aliens, and "close encounters"

- Bigfoot, Chupacabra, and other cryptids

- Ghosts, Poltergeists, and other "hauntings"

And, let me be clear: I am not talking about fictional novels which include such things; I am talking about "non-fiction" which purports to prove their existence.

Do you believe all of those books must be true as well? Why or why not?

The thing that made me question the narrative on RFK Jr was a random Twitter comment that pointed out that he had written a best-selling book that went after Bill Gates with some absolutely devastating claims yet Bill Gates with all his billions and all his lawyers never once attempted to sue the man for liable.

Why do you think that is? Could it be the fact that every single claim he made against Gates, Fauci and Big Pharma is well-sourced and air-tight.

Remember, it isn’t slander or liable if it is provably true.

I read the whole transcript of the Fridman podcast after your comment. There were a lot of interesting side discussions about history but I still can't avoid seeing him as an anti-science, anti-establishment conspiracy nut, even if I bend over backwards to be as generous as possible.

The virology community isn't debating him because if you debate the conspiracy nuts, you give them creedence and also it's 100X harder to disprove bad ideas.

I'm curious how he'd broker a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. Oh wait, he said that the US forced Russia to invade-- on Hannity.

Right and if you actually listen to what he says, and understand history, we promised Russia we would never move an inch closer to them, and we have repeatedly sone so since making that promise in the early 90s.

We also place aegis missile systems near their border, which allows us to strike at the heart of Russia within 12 minutes.

This is nearly identical to what Russia pulled on us in the Cuban missile crisis, we would not of tolerated that, nor should we and that’s why we nearly invaded Cuba.

We did the same thing to them in the Ukraine, and if you don’t think that provoke them to react, then you simply don’t know history.

I'm familiar with history (my Russian political history class was fascinating). For example, the US placed its missiles in Turkey before the Cuban missile crisis. Of course we did! We also have airplanes flying near their borders and a fleet of subs, too.

Russia's leadership is paranoid and not to be trusted- and their stated claims for why they invaded are ridiculous. Russia put themselves at far greater risk - because now half their force and hardware is destroyed. RFK's analysis of history - or rather his stated claims - are more part of his propaganda than they resemble any sort of truth.

He's really not some sort of genius who is misunderstood and being maligned by the establishment. I mean, maybe he's being maligned in excess of his actual stupidity, but it's hard to tell. I think specifically his claims that the CIA and FBI helped kill his father and uncle, along with the HIV_causes-AIDS denial really establish just how crazy he is.

Have you looked into this and the facts around everything you just mentioned or are you going with the headlines you’ve read and other online talking points?

Each there own, comes down to believing he’s not a lying POS like virtually all other politicians. Listening to him, yeah hard to not hear how driven he is for real change. My 2 cents anyway but I respect your opinion even if I don’t agree with it.

Yes, I've looked into the facts around this- I used to be a scientist/researcher and know quite a lot about HIV and AIDS since I worked in a group that actively researched medicine for HIV.

I maintain a wide collection of reading and an open mind, and often when I hear things that sound like bullshit, actively try to assume the person spewing bullshit may have a point and bend over backwards trying to understand their point, including exposing myself to facts or reasoning that I don't agree with.

It sounds to me like your beef is with the establishment, and that RFK possibly represents a way to break down the establishment, but I don't think he is the way to achieve that (nor is that a worthy goal).

Could I make a humble suggestion?

It sounds like you are very knowledgeable and are actively interested on the topic of HIV/AIDS.

If someone with your background would take the time to read RFK’s book on Fauci with a critical mind and do your best to identify fraudulent claims or misinterpreted facts about the early days of HIV treatment under Fauci, it would go a long way to help discredit RFK’s book and the man himself.

If your critique uncovers new insights it could be very persuasive in dismissing RFK’s candidacy.

This is not a small ask, I realize that, but if your current perception is correct about RFK Jr. you would be doing America a great service by revealing the fraud.

I ask this as someone who is not an expert on HIV/AIDS or vaccines but who has been pursued by RFK Jr’s message on other important topics and would genuinely like to know if the man is genuine or one whose claims should be dismissed.

I have purchased a copy of his book, “The Real Anthony Fauci - Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health” but haven’t yet read it. I would gladly mail it to you to support this effort.

I believe RFK said he did NOT get vaccinated for COVID (he said that in front of congress).

I think if he truly wants to make a compelling case, he has to stop associating himself with truly bad ideas, for example, claiming that the CIA killed his dad and uncle (this was in a fox news article about his time on the Rogan show), that HIV doesn't cause AIDS (instead saying that it was caused by vaccine research: "Anybody who reads The River will come away pretty much convinced that HIV also came from a vaccine program, there’s plenty of evidence on that as well.".

It's really hard to parse out what he truly believes. It seems like he acftively skirts the truth and then backtracks when somebody calls him out.

Watch the Lex Fridman podcast on July 4th, 2023. 2+ hours of thoughtful dialog.

You’ll learn everything he believes from his own words which is something very many people prefer we don’t do.

That's the podcast where he said the CIA conspired to kill his father and his uncle.

Show us evidence. You can't make claims like that and not show real evidence. Not "Oswald was a CIA asset", show me documents that prove the CIA, as an org, conspired to kill the sitting president.

No problem here you go, an entire book - backed by facts - that all but prove his case:

https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Unspeakable-Why-Died-Matters/dp/1...

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