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There seems to be a real golden opportunity here that neither google or apple have jumped on yet. And perhaps its much harder than I imagine as it needs a large context window.

But you don't need to beat chat-gpt 4. A chat-gpt 3.5 esque model that has access to your todo list and calendar that I can talk to like siri would make the tool 10x more useful overnight.

If it even had access to your last 50 emails I could imagine saying something like.

- remind me to respond to that email from bob tomorrow.

- Draft me 3 responses that are kind, but indicate clearly that we can't go forward with his request.

This could even happen in the background, and I'm happy to pay a bit extra for the compute, it could be "premium siri"

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Kinda agree with this. It seems like every company is hard at work building their vision of an AI future, but no one can get the present right. Integration of current GPT-level intelligence could do so much to improve reminders, scheduling, calendar management, email sorting, web browsing, app installs, general UI navigation and tons more, but they all just want to build better chatbots and train larger models and chase AGI.

The companies developing these new AI models are so rich that they don't need or even care about small improvements for day-to-day tasks and problems. Instead, they seem hyperfocused on looking for the next disruptive improvement, while selling shovels to anyone else interested in picking what's left.

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No one seems to have solution for prompt injection yet…

100%. Give me an intelligent agent that integrates with calendar, reminders, notes, messages, mail, *shortcuts* and the Finder. Zapier actually has a decent UI for this which integrates with OpenAI.

And IM and Google docs

I agree with all this except:

>happy to pay a bit extra for the compute, it could be "premium siri"

Siri is heavily embedded in the ecosystem, yet has bitterly under delivered for far too long. Many improvements should have been made absent access to an LLM.

Apple should provide this behavior out of the box, and figure out how to make the costs work without additional subscriptions.

As a user I agree but...

I think the cost of running these models is still astronomical, and unlike ms and google apple just doesnt really have cloud compute at their scale. So I could imagine they might run this as a premium service first to build hype, and then figure out bringing it down in cost over time.

A bit like the vision pro, its a premium product now, but I could imagine 3-6 years down the line it will cost around an ipad pro. Apple is really good at scaling things once they see the market. But suddenly switching everyone to a gpt-3.5 for siri overnight would be a humongous cost (I think).

Unlike Google and MS, Apple has neural processing hardware in user's hands. Every modern Apple device has neural processors as part of its CPU, from iPhones and iPads to Macs of every price-point.

Apple is the only company I know of (discounting Nvidia), that has this established base of consumers just waiting for a killer app.

https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/neural-engine-tra...

Exactly. Apple is likely to take the edge computing approach (in fact, they already do - try searching your iPhone's photo library for "sports car" or "cat"; I'm fairly certain this all happens on-device using the neural engine).

In addition to the leaps and bounds in silicon, Apple has also quietly been making acquisitions in the space (like $200M+ for Xnor.ai - focusing on low-power ML intended for edge computing applications).

They are likely relentlessly optimizing, and in typical Apple fashion will not be first to release something, but will do a killer job in distributing it to hundreds of millions of devices/people at once, with a UX that's thoughtfully polished and accessible to all.

Apple has $200B in just cash.

#tbt Siri being unable to even start a timer for years

If your timer has not started after years, perhaps you should try again?

I’m not sure what your complaint is, Siri does quite well with timers and alarms.

> that are kind, but indicate clearly

Yes! And if you could just add this to your "profile" so you didn't need to add it each time, prompts would be that much shorter.

That's what Windows demoed in May.

The Windows that doesn't run on anyone's phone.

Yes, I'm still long on MS :)

I think they are doing great things, and their exclusivity with openAi was a killer move. But it still falls a bit short in execution (imo)

Microsofts tactics don't really establish trust for reading and analyzing my contacts, calendar or notes.

It’s just too expensive. Using the full GPT4 context window, for example, costs almost $2.00!

Obviously it would be much cheaper at scale, and like you said, it doesn’t have to be cutting edge. But still, the compute for an interaction with Siri is a fraction of a penny.

Apple has to make sure you can’t make Siri give the offensive answers AI is famous for. Apple sells quality, they are always under a magnifying glass and they can’t play by the same rules Google can.

Siri+

While I would truly be thrilled to see that, I don't think any big companies are capable of doing this. Not because of technical ability, but because of perceived antitrust concerns. Many products are more useful to users when they are tightly integrated, but companies won't do it if it will draw the ire of regulators.

True,

I think apple with its app ecosystem though could just let apps offer themselves as plugins to "siri-gpt", with their available function calls (like openai does now).

Their own apps, mail/todo/calendar could then play in a common ground which should be considered fair.

Apple has the perfect ecosystem to do this imo, they could knock openai plugins out of the park, since the apps would be ones that you use, and know about you, so would be far more useful.

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