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What are you talking about? Being one item, and not even the first, in a bullet-pointed list at the bottom of the article is hardly “shilling”. Outside of that, Framework aren’t mentioned.

Yes but it’s the only item on the list with a link and really shouldn’t be on the list at all. A laptop with a two hour battery is a long way from perfect. I’ve seen too many of these articles for this to be a coincidence. Pretty sure it’s a PR campaign or paid influencers.

It probably just has a link because it’s a relatively unknown brand, the author doesn’t need to link to Apple for people to know what a MacBook is. This level of paranoia about a niche laptop company is fascinating.

Well it wasn’t paranoia because hours later they released the 16” crowdfund so obviously it was a PR campaign and from the looks of the sales a very successful one. Assuming they aren’t creating false scarcity to feign demand

Yes, I imagine the framework mostly got a mention because it's one of the vanishingly few laptops available with a 3:2 screen, along with it being generally built well. The article didn't even talk about it, just put it on a list.

I'm pretty sure the previous poster and those continuing the argument about Framework laptops didn't read the article fully because shortlisting it as a potential upgrade among other options is no where near shilling.

I have an i7 Framework and an M1 Macbook that were built around the same time in 2021. I love the _idea_ of the Framework (and I prefer Windows to macOS) but you're right that comparing them isn't really fair. The Macbook has longer battery life, is faster, and is QUIETER.

I do a lot of game development and doing it on the Framework, the bottom of it gets so hot that you can't touch it and it feels like it's going to burn my lap. The fan sounds like a small plane taking off and absolutely blasts out hot air. The battery only lasts ~2 hours.

Exact same workload on the M1 Macbook and the fan doesn't even spin up. The battery lasts probably 6 hours. You can put it comfortably on your lap.

I don't blame Framework here; I love the laptop but I don't think that a Windows/Linux machine can compete with Apple Silicon. ARM is just so much better for a laptop.

At the time I bought my Framework, I paid $1,200 for a DIY edition including 3rd party purchase of 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD (Samsung 980 Pro). The cheapest Apple laptop that can be configured to those RAM and storage specs is the 14" Macbook Pro at $2,600. The 15" MBA cannot even be configured with 32GB RAM, is heavier than the 13" Framework, and I believe still only supports a single external monitor compared to Framework's 4.

I guess it comes down to personal preference, but for me the Framework was plenty good enough and definitely worth the >2x cost savings.

Macbooks use unified memory and ARM SoCs and substantially outperform Intel machines with nearly double the battery life. The MBAs can use two external displays either 4k@120 or 6k@60. There’s also a big usability difference between a 15 and 13 inch display. My MBA 15 w 16GB memory 70W charger and 512GB SSD (you need that for the full speed IO) cost me under $1500, granted w the educational discount. I also got $150 gift card, which I used to buy a discounted iPad Pro and then I got another $100 gift card again. So Apple is pricey sure but still very affordable. I think framework laptops are a gimmick but to each their own

> But, nothing compares to the new 15 inch MBA. That is hands down the best laptop made in the history of the Earth

Hitchens's razor applies. It's certainly not the best laptop to play video games. Or to use outdoors in rough weather. Or...

Can you expand on the using it outdoors part? I work outside a lot but have never thought about that when choosing a laptop

There are rugged notebooks you can use in the rain or under extreme conditions like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7dpdqO1EZK0&pp=ygUUbHR0IG91dGR...

Try using "best laptop made in the history of the Earth" for 10 minutes in the rain and see what happens

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