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That's down to WPF which is a total pile of shit to be honest (having spent the last 3 years with it).

It's nothing to do with the language.

I'm kind of fond of WPF. Lots of aspects of it (data binding, styles, templates, the layout system etc) seem very elegant to me. It is not without issues. How do you justify the 'total pile of shit' call?

Doesn't scale up as well as win32/GDI. Requires much faster kit with graphic hardware acceleration to run (we had to bin about 200 Matrox Parhelia cards and replace with hefty NVidia cards to make use of hardware acceleration where GDI was fine on Matrox). Can't ILmerge thanks to XAML loader problems. Editor sucks. 5-million casts required in your code. BUGS! Hard to do trivial things. Virtually impossible to produce a scalable composite application. Grinds an 16 core Xeon to a halt inside VS2010. Learning curve from hell (this hurts on a 20 man team).

It's not good progress - it's just a deeper abstraction.

I can't argue with most of those. The designer sucks, and I blame that for lots of the VS slowness. I never open XAML files in the designer. Not sure about 'scaling up' relative to GDI - I guess if you're a gun GDI programmer you can probably make it do pretty much anything, but I felt more productive doing graphics stuff in WPF - seemed to let you do quite a few cool things pretty easily. ILMerge thing is a pain, but not a major one (unless you've gone out and built thousands of assemblies and are getting slammed by load times, in which case you kind of painted yourself into a corner there). When you say "Virtually impossible to produce a scalable composite application." do you mean scaling development, or run-time scalability?

I can't help but feel if MS had paid more attention to perf (maybe re-platform it on top of Direct2D in the .NET 4 timeframe, instead of going all in on WinRT) things would be a lot better.

Anyway, thanks for sharing those pain points.

WRT scalability - it's scaling UI components over time. I build large complicated metadata driven applications and it's quite hard to compose an application on the fly.

Agree with performance. I hope WinRT is better. I have little faith based on my experience with Win8 so far but it's not RTM so I shouldn't comment on it yet.

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