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> Conservative youth organization Turning Point USA has parted ways with brand ambassador Ashley St. Clair after she was photographed at a dinner over the weekend with white nationalist and anti-Semitic content creators.
Is it possible that you know "far right" is a bad thing, but you agree with these people, so they can't be far right? Or how do you get to your conclusion?
I don't have to. It's a term with a big history, and it never used to mean "conservative" or mere "right of center".
>Is it possible that you know "far right" is a bad thing, but you agree with these people, so they can't be far right? Or how do you get to your conclusion?
It's more possible that I know what the term means, and the modern use is an overuse to score points for political reasons, just like "fascist" has been. George Orwell, back in 1944:
(...) when we apply the term ‘Fascism’ to Germany or Japan or Mussolini's Italy, we know broadly what we mean. It is in internal politics that this word has lost the last vestige of meaning. For if you examine the press you will find that there is almost no set of people — certainly no political party or organized body of any kind — which has not been denounced as Fascist during the past ten years. Here I am not speaking of the verbal use of the term ‘Fascist’.
I am speaking of what I have seen in print. I have seen the words ‘Fascist in sympathy’, or ‘of Fascist tendency’, or just plain ‘Fascist’, applied in all seriousness to the following bodies of people: (...) Conservatives, Socialists, Communists, Trotskyists, Catholics, War resisters, Supporters of the war, Nationalists (...)
It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.
>Is it possible that you know "far right" is a bad thing, but you agree with these people, so they can't be far right? Or how do you get to your conclusion?
Is it even more possible possible that you don't know what far right has historically referred to, and you think those people are far right just because you disagree with them?
Sure, you don't have to. But if you don't want to explain why you make the comment you make, you probably just shouldn't make the comment.
> Is it even more possible possible that you don't know what far right has historically referred to, and you think those people are far right just because you disagree with them?
No. Would you now mind explaining how these people are not far right?
Clearly the onus is on the people who are using the term to explain why they think it applies to the people they are using it on. The onus is always on the person who makes the assertion, not on the person who is sceptical.
Ian Miles Cheong is a climate change denier and one of the main accounts behind the trans panic. He regularly contributes to The Post Millennial.
Rogan O’Handley was one of the instigators of the January 6th riots.
Libs of Tik Tok is infamous for her anti-lgbtq propaganda.
All of the examples given in the article can be accurately described as far right.
Tate is being accused of exploiting women, which isn't any different from someone who may do that to someone based on other characteristics that they consider "weaker", "stupid" etc.
From a little digging I did, because I don't normally follow him (or knew about him that much until the Greta thing and subsequent publicity), it's hard to make head of tails if there's a case or not. I saw two of the girls involved deny any wrongdoing. I doubt a person with 300M+ net worth had a need to do such a scheme. But even if he was a bona fide pimp, both have nothing to do with the "far right". He could be a "far right pimp", but not pimp, thus far right.
>Tate is being accused of exploiting women, which isn't any different from someone who may do that to someone based on other characteristics that they consider "weaker", "stupid" etc.
Millions of people exploit women, murder women (or men), steal, sell drugs, or do whatever other crime, without being far right. Even misogyny is not a far right specific trait. Heck, many apolitical people, leftists, rightists, and centrists have been just that.
I think far-right/left is usually used to denote personalities that don't believe in compromise (win-win or lose-lose scenarios), but only dominance of the other (zero-sum outooks).
When these people hang out with white nationalists, and your entire defense is “but you call everyone who hangs out with white nationalists and dabbles in anti-semitism ‘far right’” it might be time to have a real long think about what it is you’re actually trying to say.