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It's often funny to me how there will be such a massive gnashing of teeth about whether or not something is prescription or OTC available to women, when Men essentially have no contraceptive choice and have 100% liability the moment it leaves our body, potentially including in cases of paternity fraud.

It'd be like if we told women they had to have the baby the moment their egg accepts a sperm, regardless of the reasons it ended up there.

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> It'd be like if we told women they had to have the baby the moment their egg accepts a sperm, regardless of the reasons it ended up there.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not here, but that is pretty much what exactly is happening in much of the USA. It's sad, disappointing and, frankly, irrational, at least from the perspective you present.

A majority of Americans still have access to abortion that is _less_ restrictive than most EU countries. The Supreme Court did not outlaw abortion. In my state, abortions can be legally performed right up until birth.

Telling this to other Europeans who comment stuff like "I can't believe they outlawed abortion in the US" just doesn't get old. From "Damned brutal patriarchy" to "Damned children murderers" in less than 5 seconds.

I always wonder why the truth gets buried. What I said was accurate, but it does go against several popular narratives. Nobody wants nuance, but these things are entirely comprised of nuance.

I agree. What I'm pointing at is that it's sufficiently similar that it's unfair to do the same to a man.

Men can wear condoms and/or get a vasectomy.

Providers can be loath to give men vasectomies if they haven't already had children. That's changing, but still can be a barrier.

Women can wear condoms and/or get Tubal ligation.

And yet Men have 100% liability the moment it leaves our body, potentially including in cases of paternity fraud.

It pretty much evens out, given what being pregnant does to someone. You could always just sleep with men if it really bothers you that much.

The same could be said to women i guess. your point transposes to

> If women don't like the risk of getting pregnant and not being allowed to have an abortion, they can just sleep with women.

It's both insensitive and obviously not a good argument.

Or just stop showering /s

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