Then I bought macs for everyone, installed iWork, 1Password and taught them how to use them. haven't heard a peep. One of the best purchases of my life.
Then I bought macs for everyone, installed iWork, 1Password and taught them how to use them. haven't heard a peep. One of the best purchases of my life.
I bet you would've gotten similar results if you spent the same amount of money on Windows computers.
For example, my dad is using an 8 year old Windows computer that he got second hand. It works absolutely fine because it wasn't underspecced at the time it was produced.
People underestimate the difference investing in good hardware makes. They see $300 computers and expect them to work just as well as a $1200 top of the line machine, and then get frustrated at how slow their Celeron machine gets after getting their expectations crushed. Getting mad at a "broken" computer is easier than admitting you messed up and made a terrible investment.
Yes, but ...
> Getting mad at a "broken" computer is easier than admitting you messed up and made a terrible investment.
Mid take. Windows still sucks on $1200 hardware, just faster. You still get the same crappy UI that shuffles around every couple of updates just because, dangerous legacy stuff like ActiveX, SMB1, and IE lurking just beneath the surface, ads in the Start Menu, random updates, forced reboots, etc.
None of the operating systems seem to want to support you as the user anymore, they're all part of a ploy to buy more hardware, rent more software, and move everything to some kind of cloud solution you'll never be able to get rid of.
However, ActiveX, SMB1, and IE11 haven't been an issue since Windows 11, and you need to go out of your way to find them in Windows 10. IE has been dead for over a year. Even before that, Microsoft received widespread criticism when they hid IE11 by default, because users didn't want to change away from IE for some godforsaken reason.
The Windows kernel is a software engineering marvel and Windows has become incredibly stable on modern hardware. The shell on top of it has become a victim of terrible enshittification that started in Windows 8, or maybe 10.
Registry is fine.
It's not a very big fraction of software that needs a reboot. It's much more common to have an OS update need one, and that's pretty universal across desktop OSes.
The ads are bad. Though interestingly those are relatively new, not baggage.
I personally find that Linux asks me to reboot more often than Windows does these days. You do need to reboot once or twice a month to apply some kernel updates, but that's really about all you need to do.
The shortcuts to install apps like Tiktok are annoying for sure, but they're really not as intrusive as techies like to pretend they are. I have plenty of gripes with Windows (Edge, MS accounts, that kind of thing) but calling it "not a system for human users" is ridiculous.
It doesn’t help that the windows install for a printer includes some huge print center bloatware if you accept defaults and for Mac it didn’t prompt for anything like that (same printer plugged in with usb).
I can’t even imagine trying to support them on the new windows with the advertisements and changing stuff in the start menu…
Those weren't the issues that needed money. The issue that needed money was "sometimes their machines just needed to be upgraded because they were running the new office, and the new skype and the new chrome, antivirus, etc, and the 3yo system could barely keep up".
The instability and bloat have changed significantly in the 17 years since Vista came out. The Windows kernel itself is rock solid, most drivers run in user mode so BSODs are extremely rare.
There is bloatware, for Windows and for macOS, for all the terrible hardware vendors out there. I remember plugging in my Logitech mouse into a Mac and finding out I need a separate app to configure it properly because various OS mouse settings only apply to Apple hardware for some reason. Printers Just Work these days, unless you buy one of those awful models that requires an app to set up, and then it doesn't matter what desktop OS you use.
Microsoft did add ridiculous Microsoft ads and a scummy account requirement to Windows 10 and 11. However, these aren't visible for most users, because most users are already logged in to a Microsoft account. When people talk about "ads" in Windows, they don't mean banner ads, they mean "click here to connect to Microsoft Onedrive with your MS account", not too different from various iCloud related menus I've seen.
The way they mess with Edge, that is plain awful. I'm astonished with how much effort Microsoft is putting into shoving Edge down everyone's throats. Edge is the biggest reason not to use Windows in existence.
I'm not sure what you mean by "changing stuff in the start menu" so I can't comment on that. However, I'd recommend trying out a Windows VM some time (you can download them from the MS website for free!), because I get the feeling your experiences with Windows are quite outdated.
If you want 'good' some of the Alienware laptops will be more beefy.
Or the $5000 desktop PC I got off Newegg had top of the line specs and came with Windows..
Not sure what you're talking about really. You can get crap, medium or best with Windows.
Or just reformat to Linux if you think Windows is sluggish.
It used to be you could just boot the machine, cleanup bloatware, install some antivirus (after figuring out which one has not currently become adware), install basic applications, a copy of office, configure an email client or outlook (which is a nightmare to setup itself, with its weird mail folders that you can create but then can't delete without obscure windows voodoo because they become default windows mail folders or something...what the actual f!).
Anyway, so I give this machine to a junior dev to setup, and some time later he comes to me saying he can't even get to the desktop screen because an online windows account is needed. I think, surely this can't be true because a month earlier we had done the same thing on the same windows version, on the same laptop model. So I tried and guess what, I could not. I googled, and there were all these tricks you could try to make the "create offline account" option appear, but it never did, so I had to create a throwaway windows account, with a real email alias, go through all the "confirm your email" steps, in order to access a computer that was just purchased. I even tried removing all network access and restarting, no luck. See related rant by me here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34983448
If I could not set it up with an offline account, imagine a non techie, buys a laptop, goes somewhere with no network, tries to get work done and finds out it's impossible because of some dark pattern war that Microsoft is waging on it's customers.
So no, problem is not just hardware, or how well this one machine runs windows X, Y, or Z. It is the fact that a person can't just walk into a store, buy a windows PC that is being sold (at whatever price point) and trust that it will enable them to do work, consistently, on the short, medium and long term with little to no additional IT effort.
That said, the bloatware on professional laptops is absolutely minimal. They do this nasty trick where they add Candy Crush to your start menu, but it's not even installed until you click on it. If you buy Windows Pro (the one you probably want anyway) you won't see this crap.
As for the antivirus and Outlook: don't treat modern Windows like Windows XP. Windows Defender and a fully usable Outlook suite have been part of Windows for well over a decade now. You can install Outlook if you really want to, but it's really not necessary. I'll even go as far as say that Outlook Express and its evolutions were also working just fine all the way back in the XP days.
All the machines I've seen ship with Windows 11 have come with Office preinstalled (with a trial, because Microsoft is a wallet leech) so I'm surprised you even needed to install a copy. I consider it bloatware myself because of the subscription model attached to it.
The crapware is subsidising the cosy of the laptop. If people were willing to put in the extra cash for a trash free OS, we would only have clear, "pro" versions of Windows.
My Lenovo laptop also came with nothing but the necessities to keep my laptop up to date. They added some "click to install" shortcuts for games and crap to the start menu, but they don't come with computers anymore.
The trick to buying a clean machine is to buy hardware intended for professionals rather than consumers. I don't think I've ever seen a machine running Windows 11 Pro that came with a McAfee trial since Windows 10 came out.
Even the bottom line machines nowadays are perfectly fine for "living" (internet, multimedia, office apps etc.).
Don't get me started on the update reboots when you really need to get work done. On the long startup times even when you clear out the startup items, the never knowing if a reboot will actually be that or a BSOD. If you're helping someone remotely and they say "It's asking me to reboot", you know you'll have to drive to them to help it back up.
The DLL issues bring back memories of Windows XP and Vista, even Windows 7 had SFC and other proactive system protection mechanisms.
Windows 10 came out with a task manager that shows you exactly what's slowing down startup. I don't know what hardware you bought, but BSODs have become so rare that I don't even remember what Windows 11's BSOD screen looks like, and I'm pretty sure Windows 10's changed since I last saw it.
From what you're describing, I doubt your experiences were with modern releases of Windows.
Windows without Active Directory and Group Policy management is a straight up nightmare. Even with good hardware the default Windows config, especially the Home editions, is just such garbage compared to macOS.
If your family had stayed on Windows, would you have gotten more requests today than with the current setup? It's disingenuous to compare Windows of many years ago (on probably some crappy underspecced and bloated laptop) vs a modern OS (on expensive hardware).
Data point of one: I also used to be the IT person in my family. Still is. But I never get calls anymore. Things generally just work. And most of them run Windows.
Actually, I've done more support for people using MacOS. Each upgrade inevitably break something. Only way to have a hands-off Mac experience is to tell everyone to never upgrade their OS..
They don't know the difference. And I rarely if ever have to fix anything.
Chromebooks would have been cheaper.