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Can you provide the examples for US part in pervasive IP stealing, predatory infrastructure loans, trading with sanctioned countries? Not single issues (every country will have some examples here and there), but actually using those as long term strategies?

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Look into earlier in the Industrial Revolution and you'll find plenty of IP thefts and outright defiance of UK laws of technology export controls and laws against emigration of skilled workers. The US went further than "being a fence" and had agents stealing technology as early as 1787. It isn't limited to industrial technology. Music piracy got so bad in the 19th century that Gilbert and Sullivan premiered "The Pirates of Penzance" in New York first to stop the issues of rampant unauthorized productions seen by "HMS Pinafore". When they were the underdog the US could politely be described as "guilty as sin".

I offer this more for the sake of enlightenment and amusement than anything else.

(Agreed)

Those interested might want to look at this as well: https://creativelawcenter.com/dickens-american-copyright

Trading with sanctioned countries: happens all the time in support of various US wars. Too many examples during the Iraq War, but Iran Contra Scandal is a big one as the US President was directly involved.

Predatory infrastructure loans: that's what USAID, IMF and World Bank are basically set up to do.

Huh? The US sets the sanctions.

We’ve changed our laws to legalize corruption and subsidize export of key industries. Steel is hardly made in Cleveland and Pittsburgh anymore for a simple reason: our tax and regulatory structure was reformed, and makes it more profitable to ship that business to China or Mexico.

Correct. But that doesn't support any of the claims I mentioned from bugglebeetle's comment.

To be fair, the US doesn't trade with sanctioned states because they (and the UK) are among the first to sanction other states. The EU just follows. Did China sanction any other states? Maybe Lithuania for opening a Taiwan representation office. But it's not sanctions, it's more like bullying.

China has sanctioned Lithuania for opening a Taiwan representative office, like you said.

Recently, they've also sanctioned Australia after the Australian government requested an independent investigation into the origins of the virus. This escalated into a one-sided trade war, particularly targeting Australian barley, wine and iron/steel exports.

As well as Norway, in 2010, after the independent Norwegian Nobel committee granted the Nobel Peace Prize to jailed Chinese human rights activist Liu Xiaobo.

There’s Samuel Slater (the traitor). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

He was the most spectacular but hardly an isolated case. https://hbswk.hbs.edu/archive/trade-secrets-intellectual-pir...

Just curious, if China sanctions the UK, would the US stop trading with the UK?

What is your opinion?

Why would they? The US doesn't care about who China sanctions, and the UK is one of US's closest allies.

Ok, just wanted to be clear.

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