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It's great to have some science on it but a lot of people have considered this common sense for one or two decennia.

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Longer than that; I remember being warned about plasticizers leaching into food if microwaved.

Found this paper from 1982: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44540143

Have they really?

Because many people use plastic Tupperware in the microwave. I've never purchased a piece of tuperware that said it would release microplastics into the food if I put it in the microwave.

I don't know what it is lately but I feel like a lot of things labeled as "myths" and "woo woo" seem to be coming out as actually harmful, forever chemicals, fluoride in drinking water are others that come to mind.

I remember there was a bit of a trend to rubbish using microwaves, as if it harmed the food or something, but it is curious that those people actually had a point, at least when the microwave was combined with plastic containers.

My opinion, it's better to always have an open mind.

Just not so open that your brains fall out. “This copper bracelet will…” or “these crystals will…”

>fluoride in drinking water

Is there a legitimate issue with fluoride in drinking water? A quick google search yields nothing.

Meta-analysis study from China says fluoride in drinking water lower IQ by 7 points on average in children, with more fluoride causing higher effects [1]. Probably politically infeasible to do such a study in the US because of left-right polarity but I'm sure once it gets widespread acknowledgement in a couple of decades, there'll be people saying how it was obvious all along.

Other studies too from a quick google search. Pregnant women drinking fluoridated water lowers children's IQ by 3-4 points [2]

1. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/fluoride-children...

2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2019/08/20/fluoride-an...

From google

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18695947/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31424532/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5285601/

This is a good article as an overview of the problem:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41390-020-0973-8

Interesting, thank you!

> I've never purchased a piece of tuperware that said it would release microplastics into the food if I put it in the microwave.

One thing to be skeptical or open minded or whatever but this statement is just stunningly naive. That you would only consider it if the company selling it tell you that. There is a thing called using your brain to come to independent conclusions. I'm probably just pissing into the wind here because I realize the current discourse it that you must listen to your betters and believe only the experts or whatever.

I think they're using that statement as an indication of the average consumer's behavior, not necessarily their own. In fact, their very next sentence makes it clear that they aren't just swallowing the official line wholesale.

Maybe you should go see a doctor about that knee-jerk problem.

Agreed. I haven’t microwaved food in plastic for 20+ years. It just always seemed gross. My biggest beef with plastic containers is that once washed with cheap dish soap (e.g. Dawn) the plastic container and any food stored in it always an forever smell and taste like the fragrance in the soap. I don’t find this to be a problem when using 7th Generation dish soap, which I consider to be far superior.

>I don’t find this to be a problem when using 7th Generation dish soap, which I consider to be far superior.

I feel i'm about to fall into a rabit hole where i read way too much about dish soap. Is this a joke or is there really such a thing as 7th generation dish soap?

It’s just a brand name. It’s not 7th generation in the sense of a 7th gen fighter aircraft.

7th generation dish soaps use a polyvalent saponification structure that form nano colloids, which result in the formation of trans-Newtonian fluids…

I was also super excited to read the Wikipedia page for the generations of dish soap, but like the others have said, it's just a brand :/

It's a brand name.

Microwaved plastic is obviously something to avoid I agree but what I would like to know is what happens on plastic plates in washing machine?

Well they will shed tons of microplastics and the placticisers will gradually leach out due to heat and the harsh dishwasher soap. That eventually destroys your plastic stuff, but the stuff shed goes down the drain and becomes someone else's problem (except you'll get some back when you eat fish, for example).

The same thing happens with your clothes, which these days include a lot of plastic fabric, buttons, etc.

Good question. The only plastic dishes we have are the lids to our glass leftover containers. I always wash these by hand as it seems to me that the extreme heat of the dishwasher degrades the plastic (and probably causes god knows what to leach out of the plastic) and causes the lids to crack (kind of like plastic left out in UV light) and to fail seemingly sooner than they otherwise would.

Interesting, I view Dawn as name-brand, maybe premium product and thought it was well-regarded, though maybe that's all those advertisements with oil-soaked animals getting cleaned up doing a number on me.

Never had a complaint or noticed a residual odor, though.

Definitely. I have never, ever microwaved (or otherwise heated) food in plastic. My intuition just screams that it's disgusting and stupid and I honestly can't understand how people can do this.

I don't even store cold food in plastic containers any more because I found out you can buy glass ones. They are so much more convenient and clean.

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