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How can you call Android an open source mobile OS anymore given even these basic functions will be dropped?

Is Linux not open source because it doesn't ship with client apps by default?

There are tons of things to criticize google for, but the fact that they won't maintain a client app that's so barebone it's practically unusable anyway, isn't one of them.

There are open source alternatives available (e.g. on F-Droid). So I don't see why this is such a big issue.

Would you call Windows "open source" just because you run a few open source apps on it?

Google is slowly but surely turning more and more components of Android into closed source code. This is a targeted effort to kill AOSP and lock consumers into their ecosystem. The end result will probably look a lot like macOS: a few open source parts, but primarily a proprietary stack.

If the bootloader, all of the services, the kernel, the window manager, etc were open source, but edge was closed source and bundled in a separate version of Windows then yes I would consider Windows an open source operating system.

Because the desktop OS is used for so much more. But if the core functionality is missing, the point is lost. A better analogy, as you like to play games, is a VPN company releasing their app as open source, after being critiqued for privacy issues. Only to find out just the GUI was released but the rest can be installed using a plugin system.

The analogy is lost here because the core is open source but the GUI is not. Core system services do most of the heavy lifting for these apps and that remains in AOSP.

Windows is not open source, AOSP is

A lot of people still don't see how the operating system as a whole is open source, not having properly supported open source apps is not the best, but while we can make apps and/or update the aosp versions, we can't make an operating system...

> A lot of people still don't see how the operating system as a whole is open source

What? Just checkout the sources and go through them, maybe?

> not having properly supported open source apps is not the best

If your definition of "properly supported" means "supported by Google", I guess...

Supported => Supported by Google yes.

I think you misread my comment, or I wasn't clear enough, I work on AOSP daily so I know very well what's in there :)

Oh, maybe I did misunderstand it, indeed. Sorry :)

There's not a single phone on earth running AOSP though

The OS and the default apps it comes with are really not the same thing.

Respectfully, I think you need to look closer and understand what AOSP actually is. It seems like your are mixing things up.

Am I? An OS without apps is really useful? What's linux kernel without gnu tools?

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