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Are you joking? Name any jurisdiction in America where you can lose your license for parking in front of a firehouse. There are no points for that in California.

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You mean parking in front of a firehouse, having it open its doors, having a firetruck come out with lights and sirens, and then continuing to sit there blocking its way while twiddling your thumbs? That would most certainly warrant some kind of criminal charges.

We need to stop allowing computational agents (and thus those who deploy them) to escape blame as if they don't exist, or as if their behavior is just nobody's fault. Computational agents need to be viewed as bona fide actors (as people are), with the actions of the computational agent being considered the willful actions of whomever deployed it.

OK, then the US is a very strange place. I'm European, so forgive my ignorance in those matters, I thought things worked similarly over there.

LOL no. Personally I look upon the Swiss "via sicura" regime wistfully. I want people who speed through central cities to go to jail and have their cars crushed.

As long as we can also jail the people who, for no fucking reason whatsoever, drive 15 mph slower than the rest of traffic, too.

If the rest of traffic is driving 15 mph faster, clearly it isn't difficult to ignore the people driving slowly. So if anything, surely it's the people who want them imprisoned who should be punished. Their crime? Poor priority management.

You won't immediately loose your license for speeding, even in Switzerland. Afaik it'll be expensive until 20km/h over, only after that will the really nasty things like criminal prosecution and car impound start (for first-time offenders, repeat offenders are punished more harshly).

40km/h over in a built-up area in Switzerland is not only an automatic fine and loss of license, it is automatic jail time with no judicial discretion. This is the equivalent of 45MPH in a city, for the American readers.

Yes, but there are a lot of "in-betweens":

https://www.ch.ch/en/vehicles-and-traffic/how-to-behave-in-r...

Some states have "super speeder" punishments similar to this, with mandatory jail time if you're over a certain speed (>100mph usually) or just over a certain amount over the speed limit (double the limit, or something).

Either way, none of those address the new problem of robotaxis. If any normal human did this type of thing, you could go scream at them or honk your horn enough for them to figure it out. If it isn't programmed into the robotaxis logic it won't do anything as shown. Or possibly do the wrong thing.

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