What you think you've "proved", you haven't. I'll repeat myself; that there was no dev environment on release demonstrates precisely nothing, certainly not the fact that programmable personal computers were so vehemently "despised by Steve Jobs."
What you think you've "proved", you haven't. I'll repeat myself; that there was no dev environment on release demonstrates precisely nothing, certainly not the fact that programmable personal computers were so vehemently "despised by Steve Jobs."
But there were two issues with the Mac release in 1984.
1. The price.
2. It was a computer that was not programmable out of the box by the user.
In fact it was such a complete flop, it forced out Jobs by 1985.
The other competitors in the area around that time were the C64, Apple IIc/e, Vic 20, Atari 400/800, MS Dos PCs, TI 99/4a, TRS/80. All had a form of basic.
These machines were a completely open book, featured slots to plug anything you could imagine into (and people did, using those computers as quite capable 8 bit workstations: test and measure, cross dev, business, publishing, and so many more...)
I will stop there as the story of the 8 bit Apple computers is well known.
I will say Jobs hobbled the 16 bit machine so it would not spank the Mac silly.
Delivering serious use value to users is what funded the Mac and then some.
The only people I knew who wanted a Mac back then were ones that would never write a program.
Funny enough, many of those went on to use the crap out of HyperCard.
That depends on what you mean by "out of the box." It's true that no development tools were included, but they were available from third parties. I wrote the code for my masters thesis in 1986 using Coral Common Lisp on a Mac Plus, so if you wanted to program a Mac you certainly could.
> The other competitors in the area around that time were the C64, Apple IIc/e, Vic 20, Atari 400/800, MS Dos PCs, TI 99/4a, TRS/80. All had a form of basic.
Interesting. Where are they now? It's as if in 1984 a paradigm shift happened. /s
Also, DOS didn't ship with basic. Some vendors may have bundled it, but DOS never had it built in.
The original IBM PC came with BASICA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_BASIC#IBM_Advanced_BASIC
From 1983, MS DOS came with GW-BASIC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW-BASIC
From 1991, GW-BASIC was replaced by QBasic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QBasic
I would say, DOS always shipped with Basic. QBasic remained included up to Windows ME (the last Windows that came with DOS).
I'm partially incorrect. It clearly was bundled, and not as I said may have been bundled. The OP was alluding that it was built in like it was for the CBM64, ZX81 etc. Being bundled and installing it as a separate process is subtly different IMHO. But I will concede that I was wrong to say otherwise.
Best I watch 'Pirates of Silicon Valley' to check a reliable source... /s
MS-DOS 5.0 was a shrink-wrapped box purchase, so I was sure it was "pure".