And then they can't even practice what they preach, removing black actors from posters to placate countries like China. Disney needs to fail.
And then they can't even practice what they preach, removing black actors from posters to placate countries like China. Disney needs to fail.
Stop it. Just stop it. You know that's not true. All they care about is the money. Ever wonder why everything in entertainment is as bad as it is? Because all they care about is money, not quality.
That's part of what makes Star Wars movies, and not films.
you sound like someone has never read a Marvel comic book in their life.
Correct.
Marvel and DC comics up to a few years ago, and the pre-Discovery Star Trek franchise, shared a broad-church liberal view of the world. Stories that explicitly pushed an agenda for the sake of agenda-pushing were mocked by fans, and other writers would ignore them or explicitly retcon the stories out.
Now we have (no joke) a transvestite member of the Legion of Super-Heroes travel 1000 years to the present day to march in a Pride parade.
This isn't even considering the comics, which as an industry, has been dying because of all the same behaviors. Last I heard The Punisher's wife came back from the dead to berate him for killing people and to divorce him.
Who wants to read that tripe? Who wants to listen to Ant-man's annoying daughter lecture people? No one.
What exactly makes that "progressivism"? Also why don't you consider characters like X-23 a gender swapped Wolverine?
How many have to exist before it can be considered "progressivism"/"diversity" then? Also can you provide those examples that occurred post-Disney? As a huge marvel fan it should be easy for you do. As someone who isn't a huge marvel fan I can think of several off the top of my head that occurred pre-Disney.
Miles Morales (Spider-Man), original character: Peter Parker/Spider-Man, first appearance: 2011
Jane Foster (Thor), original character: Thor Odinson, first appearance: 2014
Riri Williams (Ironheart), original character: Tony Stark/Iron Man, first appearance: 2016
Laura Kinney (X-23), original character: Logan/Wolverine, first appearance: 2004
Sam Wilson (Captain America), original character: Steve Rogers/Captain America, first appearance: 2014
Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel), original character: Mar-Vell/Captain Marvel, first appearance: 2012
Monica Rambeau (Captain Marvel), original character: Mar-Vell/Captain Marvel, first appearance: 1982
America Chavez (Miss America), original character: Joey Chapman/Miss America, first appearance: 2011
Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel), original character: Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel, first appearance: 2013
Kate Bishop (Hawkeye), original character: Clint Barton/Hawkeye, first appearance: 2005
Gwen Stacy (Spider-Woman, aka Spider-Gwen), original character: Peter Parker/Spider-Man, first appearance: 2014> Jane Foster (Thor), original character: Thor Odinson, first appearance: 2014
> Riri Williams (Ironheart), original character: Tony Stark/Iron Man, first appearance: 2016
> Laura Kinney (X-23), original character: Logan/Wolverine, first appearance: 2004
> Sam Wilson (Captain America), original character: Steve Rogers/Captain America, first appearance: 2014
> Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel), original character: Mar-Vell/Captain Marvel, first appearance: 2012
> Monica Rambeau (Captain Marvel), original character: Mar-Vell/Captain Marvel, first appearance: 1982
> America Chavez (Miss America), original character: Joey Chapman/Miss America, first appearance: 2011
> Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel), original character: Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel, first appearance: 2013
> Kate Bishop (Hawkeye), original character: Clint Barton/Hawkeye, first appearance: 2005
> Gwen Stacy (Spider-Woman, aka Spider-Gwen), original character: Peter Parker/Spider-Man, first appearance: 2014
Disney purchased Marvel in 2009(let's be honest 2010 is closer to the real year), only 7 of the 10 you listed occurred under Disney's watch. Big marvel fan indeed. Since you listed 7 times a race and/or a gender was swapped (I won't bother differentiating between swaps vs additions, e.g calling Ghost Spider a swap is a massive stretch.) under Disney as proof of "pushing progressive ideologies" I must assumed that is your threshold for something to be considered a trend. Here are 4 (plus the 3 your listed) times a race and/or a gender swap occurred under the previous Marvel owner's watch.
Michael Clarke Duncan as King Pin
Nick Fury (Ultimate Marvel Team-Up)
Lady Bullseye
Miss Sinister
Its almost as if Marvel did this sort of thing before Disney was involved, interesting.
It seems Iron Man the movie with Robert Downey Jr (2008) really saved them,and restored them back to cultural relevance beyond the X-men + Spiderman.
Though the overall trend for marvel comics are tanking especially compared to Manga/Manwha.
And I don't care what your politics are, but when you insert politics into a story, your gonna alienate a major part of your audience OR you're going to the ruin the product experience of consuming TV. When people sit down to watch TV, they just want to relax and escape. Inserting politics, pulls people out of that and gets their blood pressure up. Who needs that?
We don't need a "very special episode of.." every week.
In the last two movies, all the men had to fail, the ideological bent to the story required it. That's why we got Luke as a failure, Han Solo as a failure (he couldn't redeem his son, only Rey could through the power of ambiguity), and Finn as a failure.
Imagine if Finn had succeeded in his sacrifice. How powerful would that moment have been?
Instead the story we get is one where morality is an old fashioned idea. Hard work and merit (Jedi training) are "the old rules that are holding you back." We get the whole "there's no good and evil, there's just power." All of which fly in the face of the original world of Star Wars. Patience, self-control, and practice were virtues. Anger, impulsiveness, and fear led to hatred, evil, and suffering -- the Dark Side.
Rey can't be trained, because it would mean a man was training her. Leia can just develop Force powers on her own, because otherwise, she would have had to learn them from a man. Poe Dameron can't have a proper perspective on the battle or be trusted with any plans because the point of his character must be "toxic masculinity."
It made the stories of these movies suck. Contrast that with how Andor and The Mandalorian deliver female characters that are amazing. Leia is a true badass... as she was in the original movies, without the Force. Bo Katan's character goes through a deep understanding of what it really means to lead her people, and earns it. Strong women, that don't require a man to fail, in order to be strong on their own.
Which bits in particular is this a reference to?
In "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" there is a random scene where the police hassle Falcon. (this was shortly after tragic George Floyd incident). It wasn't part of the story, had nothing to do with the plot. Why was that there? The first thing they teach you in dramatic writing is cut fluff. That was fluff that just got people worked up.
"She Hulk" also was filled with political narratives.
And again, I'm not taking a political stand here. I'm just saying when I sit down to watch a Marvel show, I want to escape and have fun. I don't want to be reminded of controversial political issues - unless it's essential to the plot. Otherwise, if I wanted to watch a show about politics, I'd just turn on the news for free instead of paying for Disney+.
Side note: I heard second hand from someone who works at Disney that Tune out Times (ToTs)- when a user stops watching a show, spike at these things. The data is telling them they're aggravating their audience, but they just keep on trucking... God knows why. They're a business, not a political activist group.