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The power in the headset makes it sound like it replaces your laptop.

So for $3,500 I get a new laptop plus a 100 inch screen. To buy those separately would be far more than $3,500.

In my case I plan to buy it on day one because I want it for working. I'm tired of having to choose enjoying the nice weather outside while using a tiny 15 inch laptop screen or being inside at my desk with my 3 32" screens.

With Apple Vision, I can have my 3 32" screen outside. Or on the road. Or in the office when I drop in for a day. Or anywhere else I may go. It will be a huge boost in productivity and definitely worth the price.

That is the killer feature for me -- portability of my most productive setup.

I kinda doubt it would be comfortable to wear it for 8+ hours...

I can't use Quest 2 for more than 30 minutes at a time: sweating, eye strain, etc.

This is v1, I think it’d be a safe bet that those things won’t be an issue in v10. Have to start somewhere, and this is one heck of a start.

We've been working on fixing those issues since 1985. In the past decade we've gone from 20% of people getting nauseous wearing hmds to 17% of people getting nauseous.

Is it just because it's an iProduct that it will magically not have the same problems?

There would be private units within Apple testing this headset for hours and days. And now that it's announced, this testing will be broadened to the more public areas of their facilities.

They're gunning directly for work/productivity use, because of or despite what they've learned about how people feel using it. Either thinking people will use it for a couple of hours with occasional breaks (lunch, etc) or the nausea and so on are less of an issue.

This is a massive investment/bet, so presumably they know what they're doing.

Does it replace the laptop, or supplement it? From what I've seen it can project one monitor from your existing MacBook into the space.

Which means you'll also have to lug your MacBook around in order to use it on the go, and you won't be able to have your 3 monitors, just the one.

It better do more than project monitors. I’ll use it if the whole space around me is one big monitor for overlapping app windows. I want to throw my open apps in a pile to my right, shuffle through them to find what I need, push them all to the side to work on something else, and probably do the virtual equivalent of those meme conspiracy pins-and-string research boards.

From the keynote it looks like you can do that with iOS-style apps, but the Mac screen is treated as just one "app" for the spatial window manager.

Can confirm. I watched some of their developer videos for how to design apps, and it showed multiple safari windows side by side (though never more than two, equidistant from each other - no actual indication yet that we can overlap them). And it looks like we can push them farther away - though that will resize the apps, not just make them smaller.

Could actually be exactly what I've been hoping for since the first real VR stuff came out 10 years ago.

The devil is in the details. If you can only mirror your laptop screen, it's not that useful, unless you can run Vision native apps next to it. Then I only have to mirror my laptop for laptop only stuff and can run things like Safari and Notes and Mail all the other stuff separately.

If I can set up vision as a 100 inch 8K external monitor, then that becomes much more interesting, because with that much screen real estate I don't need multiple monitors.

I guess we'll have to see.

They showed in the demos mixing your desktop screen with native visionOS apps so I'm pretty sure this will be possible. It will be really cool if Apple allows a "Coherence"-type mode (a la Parallels) to pull macOS windows themselves into your space and not just a 2D pane that mirrors your desktop. Even if I can only create some virtual monitors in 3D I'm sold. I'm writing this on a MacBook running 3 external monitors right now and I bought a duplicate setup for my parents house when I had to stay there for about a month for some medical treatments for my dog (closest place that did the procedure) because I didn't want to lose my productivity (also wanted to make it easier to visit them regularly without worrying about work productivity). Being able to just grab my laptop and my Vision Pro would be amazing and would open up travel to way more places.

It has the M2. Apple says it works with select iPad apps in addition to its own App Store down the line. Apple just recently made FCP & Logic available on the iPad. I think the direction is clear.

iPad apps are intentionally useless for dev work, so a Vision platform that is similarly locked down can never replace a MacBook for my use case.

So... the killer app is "it has the M2?"

I'm not sure that's the consumer magnet you might think it is.

Even if multiple virtual monitors isn't supported today, it's the sort of thing which could be entirely solvable in software.

From the way it's described, realityOS seems more equivalent to an iPad Pro than a MacBook. Many people don't need anything more than a powerful iPad in order to be productive. So the built-in computer would be sufficient on its own. (Or at the very least, sufficient for many secondary screen tasks such as email, calls, notifications, monitoring, etc.)

I think you get two 1.5" screens with half the resolution of my 34" monitor.

If your 3 32 inch screens are running collectively at 2.1k bits, they must be pretty old. Why not just keep them? They're fully depreciated.

And it runs an entirely new OS, so I have to buy apps for it again. Or cope with VisionSafari being slightly different than desktop safari and wait for Adobe to support it.

When I want to go outside, I just take my laptop outside. It's much easier to see in the full light. Plus, I can change the distance of things I focus on, which is supposedly good for vision.

But I was asking about the "killer app." What can you do with this thing that you can't do with a laptop, phone or desktop computer?

> What can you do with this thing that you can't do with a laptop, phone or desktop computer?

Be fully productive no matter where I go. Have the same screen setup no matter where I go, so my muscle memory applies no matter where I am.

Have a multi-screen workspace at the office, in the study, on the couch, outside, in a hotel, on the plane. Without having to cart a laptop and two extra displays everywhere.

I'd like to see a tag on every Vision Pro commenter noting whether they typically use multiple displays or not. Might help understand from where they're approaching the discussion.

If Apple can bend the OS to cover more and more of the average work needs, they'll make in-roads fast.

Apple positioning this for “Work” addresses that. It also conveniently diminishes concerns about things like the battery (if you’re at a desk, plugging in is no problem) and controls (if the gestures bother you, use a keyboard and trackpad).

The work scenario could just mean using it for meetings and collaboration, or it could just mean working with large virtual screens. In any case, if you’re working from your bedroom or from your drab office, a virtual environment could be, I dunno, refreshing?

What if we could /all/ work in a beautiful space with lots of natural material surfaces and huge windows with views of beautiful forests? Sure, it’s all fake, but maybe fake nature is better than real offices?

“Work” also gives you reason to pick it up every day, unlike my neglected Oculus and Vive. If it’s useful for work and easy to slap on, I might bother to keep it charged and handy on my desk.

And then it won’t really matter what I’m wearing when I get on a Teams call…

I have a VR headset, and it lives in a cardboard box. The reason is that the only thing I'd actually use it for it does poorly. That being immersive media consumption. By the time you have a virtual movie theater the resolution remaining for the actual movie might as well be a VHS. If this is as good as it sounds like it is, that problem is solved.

I won't be getting one for $3500, but if I was single or a higher earner I probably would. I'm sure they'll sell as many as they can make.

The killer feature is going to be triggered when cameras that can capture video that this device can put you into come out. I'll happily pay this price and more to be able to record moments in my life and relive them later.

>Apple "Vision" has replaced blather about GPT based chatbots on HN

Heh, this is where you're making a mistake... GPT agents + generated worlds + Apple Vision will be the blather in another year where people go into simulated realities to check out.

To be honest, I'm waiting for someone to train a backrooms-style environment based on NeRF to make horror games with these sorts of XR experiences.

As much as I hate all the bluster about chatGPT, an application like this could actually work. NeRF models are already fairly capable of generating indoor environments like this, and backrooms-style spaces lean on repetitive structured and uncanniness so having them be generated on-the-fly helps lean into the experience.

Imagine DeepDream (2015), but inside apple vision someday.

Heading toward whole new frontiers of traumatizing people.

Some general use cases: - training/education: say giving you tips and correcting you while cooking with checklist recipes and concurrent demos of the current step. Works for painting, fixing instrument finger positions, workout tips, STEM, or anything where you would want to use your hands instead of holding something. There was a keynote section about the watch helping with golf swings and the like. - Streaming: there were apparently some terrific sports/concerts front row seat demos. Some were willing to plunk down $1000 courtside subscriptions instead of $1000/ticket seats. TikTok but far more intimate in the room with them experiences. - decorating: there was a demo where a wall became a portal to a Jurassic period. Imagine the decorating possibility of an aquarium in your living room and a planetarium on your ceiling. Virtual pets cavorting and visitors just popping into your living room via a portal. Create a literal dream home on the cheap. -escape/relaxation: live in a noisy bright urban center? Just cut it all light and noise out with your private getaway helmet. If you are paying $2000 a month for a so-so living space it would be a good add on.

Personally I value having a great bed and a great car because treating yourself makes it worthwhile. Having a dream environment the times I am alone? Having a theatre experience stuck on the toilet? I am looking forward to when the hardware can simultaneously do all of this at once.

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The idea of virtual displays seems practical, right now if you want another monitor (or to make your primary one larger) you need the desk space + the money to add that on, which virtual monitors solves.

However, how practical that really ends up being relies on how the OS is positioned and the kind of thing it can run. If it ends up like MacOS, yeh I can see that being very useful, but if it ends up like iPadOS (or god forbid iOS), well I can just say anecdotally after owning an ipad for however-many years this is the first time I've even considered using multiple monitors for that kind of thing.