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The 16 year old is also less likely to tell the bossman to get fucked when he orders his workers to do something dangerous and illegal.

> EDIT: Wow, lots of city boys on HN, who would have guessed! :D

I know, it's a little concerning. There are other articles that occasionally get discussed talking about the crisis among young men and whatnot, not having meaningful ways to be part of society and what can we do about it. And then something so simple as work, which obviously comes with tradeoffs, gets immediately dismissed as dangerous or exploitive or anti union or whatever urban sentiments people have. It feels like many would rather try and force young people to conform to some office worker version of life, and if they don't accept that then to drug them or imprison them, or just talk about how ignorant they all are.

Yeah. If a 16 year old gets an internship at a soulless tech/advertising company, HN will cheer and celebrate. But if a 16 year old frames a house, it's [flagged] [dead].

The study you linked didn’t control for age.

Unless you think 44.5% of contruction workers are under 18, the results are still significant. Do you know of another study that controls for age?

Sorry, I don’t have any sources that prove your assertion.

My source already proves my assertion. It's always disappointing to watch people make up excuses to ignore data when the data tells a story they don't want to hear.

Your source does not prove your assertion. You're trying to link two disparate variables, which is chance of injury when inexperienced and chance of injury when young. We objectively know that teenagers tend to get injured more because the whole part of their brain that controls risk-taking behaviors and impulse control quite literally isn't developed yet. So these two are compounding factors that result in teens being injured far more often in dangerous jobs.

That said, the fact that you think people are 'making up excuses' when you post wrong data shows you're just trying to push a narrative rather than actually debate.

It's basic math, no? Teenagers cannot account for 44.5% of injuries if they don't make up 44.5% of the workforce. Do you believe more than 44.5% of the workforce are teenagers?

Yes, teenagers are more injury prone, but obviously not 44.5% more, and it isn't obviously more impactful than the effects of an older human body deteriorating with age. If you go to the average hospital, are 44.5% of the patients teenagers?

> Sorry, I don’t have any other sources that contribute to the discussion.

FTFY

Hence why the companions and trade schools existed, and why internship exists in white-collar jobs (because if the new hire destroy the prod DB, it cost way much than a kid dying on the job).

Also, one major flaw that the US caught by destroying its trade schools and hiring like qualifications do not matter is that the skill level of your construction workers seems abysmal from my point of view. Only talking about carpentry here, since it's the only trade i witnessed, but if you've worked in carpentry for ten years and don't know how to apply basic math theorems on triangles and draw a plan, you might want to go to a carpentry school.

Also: imprecise cuts, cannot use protractors (thus redoing the cuts multiple time) and poor understanding on how weight is distributed.

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