The other day I was trying to buy a pair of bathroom scales and it took me far too long to find one that just, you know, weighed things without also demanding I connect it to the Wi-Fi and download a smartphone app. How is this an improvement?
First, I've owned several wireless connected bathroom scales from high-end to low-end brands. All of them work out of the box without needing or demanding you connect it to Wi-Fi and download an app. Put in batteries, step on scale, and weight is displayed. If you want to use an app, that feature is available, but definitely not mandatory, and I've never seen the device prompt to install an app. One had a removable sticker that advertised the app with a QR download code.
Second, it took me less than 5 seconds to find a non-connected bathroom scale, if you care about that. Maybe I'll assume good faith here, you may be shopping at a super high-end retail shop, or an electronics store that also sells appliances, or an online megaretailer that knows you're into tech and is recommending you smart devices? But when I search for "bathroom scale" on amazon, target, walmart, or home depot, the first result is a basic digital scale that has no connected features.
Same when I look at what is in stock in stores where I live in San Francisco. If there is a place where retailers would think they only need to stock connected bathroom scales, that would be the place. Nope, plenty of non-connected scales that only need a single button CR battery.
I never claimed that it's impossible to buy a non-connected set of bathroom scales; all I said was that it took me "far too long" - by which I mean I wasted maybe five to ten minutes deciding which bathroom scales to buy because the first few ones I looked at turned out to be overengineered piles of Wifi/smartphone-ready bullshit that I didn't want. Looking on Amazon UK now, I see several "non-connected" scales in the search results, so I'm not sure why I found it so difficult last time, but my memories are what they are.
This is, of course, as trivial of a first-world problem as they possibly come, but it felt vaguely relevant to the current discussion, and it's part of a general trend in consumer electronics that I constantly see people on HN complaining about. Sorry you found it so offensive.
First site I went to, first search term I tried.
Perhaps the commenter wasn't shopping online, took a while to find such a scale in the stores, and so wasn't lying.
Maybe if you go to an electronics retailer that also sells appliances like Best Buy, that's all you can find. But I live in a very techy area (San Francisco) and my local Target has plenty of non-connected digital scales for sale. For $10 more, you can get the connected version.
Now, saying that they're wrong is much more supportable and doesn't require you to engage in the tricky business of trying to read someone's mind.
What I believe is that we shouldn't be afraid of calling out people who casually spout easily disproven bullshit to make their argument. Saying you can only call out someone for being wrong doesn't go far enough. OP was arguing the position that there is too much connected tech, so much that in the future we may not even be able to buy a non-connected toothbrush in the future. I'm also IoT-skeptical, as many HNers are. It's a popular position that we don't want a world where IoT is mandatory. But as evidence, they gave an anecdote about shopping for a bathroom scale. I tried to be intellectually charitable to that position and assume good faith, but it didn't hold up without devolving into absurdity.
That's why I didn't say their anecdote was a lie. I can entertain the logical possibility that someone who sincerely does not want to buy a connected household appliance can go shopping for one and have difficulty finding one to buy. But it just doesn't play out, especially for someone who is on a specialist tech forum like HN and has clearly skeptical views on IoT. I said you have to work really hard to put yourself in a position where you can go shopping for such a scale, but face such difficulty that it took "far too long" to find one that is not "demanding I connect it to the Wi-Fi and download a smartphone app."
If you wanted to make a video of yourself not being able to buy a dumb scale, you could go to an tech-heavy electronics retailer that also sells appliances (like Best Buy, Microcenter) or a boutique high-tech gadgets store (like Sharper Image or Brookstone) and only find connected bathroom scales. I just checked what is in stock in a San Francisco Best Buy and the only scale is an IoT connected on. But that would be twisting the truth, because who in their right mind would check only Best Buy in order to buy a dumb scale. it takes a couple minutes on major retailers websites (Target, Walmart, Home Depot) to show that even if you limit to items in stock in tech-heavy places like San Francisco (if there is a place where retailers might assume their customers don't want dumb scales, it's SF), the first and usually cheapest options are dumb scales.
So let's Occam's Razor this. What is more likely? An IoT-skeptical HN poster actually went out to buy a non-connected bathroom scale and genuinely struggled to do so? Or an IoT-skeptical HN poster had to click or sort through a few different options and actually read product descriptions, then exaggerated this anecdote (or totally fabricated it) to advance their position?
But does that even matter? If they aren't a liar, then they are at best intellectually dishonest, and at worst intellectually incompetent. We don't have access to their mind and so can never know which of these three they are. No matter which of these three they are, any of them is a reason to invalidate their argument and call out their anecdote.
"Intellectually dishonest" is just a polite way to say "liar".
There's no need to go after someone personally when it's sufficient to simply point out that their statement was wrong. Why it was wrong isn't really important.
The other option is for me to assume that the guy is unintelligent and incapable - which do you think that they’d prefer to be characterised as?
A better explanation of your position (as I perceive it) might be: I think OP is lying for rhetorical points. The alternative explanations just seem too unlikely to me, and Occam's Razor screams a high likelihood of lying.
When making weight for a sport. Any more time than necessary spent dehydrating is energy and recovery you're not going to have for the event.
A couple of years ago I wanted to upgrade my bathroom scale to whatever the best one was and I found that there are no really good scales out there.
I have a "smart" scale from Polar that fortunately could be used as a regular dumb scale. I think Polar is really great in this regard. Their watches and other equipment can be used without syncing or connecting to their cloud, but the cloud does provide you extra value if you want to use it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B084SFRSBD/
It claims 0.1 lb accuracy, and seems pretty repeatable, but I haven't tested it for accuracy. These digital scales have multiple sensors (this one has 4), so it makes sense that individual sensors may give different readings as you shift your weight around - not sure if there's an exact science to combining the 4 readings into the single one that is displayed.
0.1kg is the weight of 100ml of water, which is about 3.3oz
I'm not sure you can even buy "just works" dumb mechanical scales any more.
You can, they're just more expensive (relatively speaking) because they cost more to make.
... so yeah, we're doomed