Better solution. Just disband the FBI.
I’d be happy to see the FBI take that role on for federal assignments _if_ that reduced budgets and the current rot was excised in some meaningful way with mechanisms put in place to hold individuals accountable.
(Actually, I don't know about any country where it's completely civilian up to now. But that's not something I ever looked.)
Seinfeld - Newman interrogates Jerry--Mail fraud : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDmA2xoIoFU
There definitely needs to be cuts in 3 letter federal agencies. They're out of control.
In the end though, it doesn't matter because eventually over time all of those agencies with too much power will become corrupt. Massive oversight and constant cleaning out of people that have been entrenched too long is necessary.
If you want to envision some kind of Utopian view of law enforcement then there is the simple problem of 'who watches the watchers', a question that has been bugging us since antiquity and which I don't think we'll see an effective solution to in this life (or the next). Every law enforcement body consists of people and people are fallible, and will always be fallible. So you need to accept that and design accordingly, and you also will need to accept that mistakes (small ones and much larger and graver ones) will be made, as well as abuses of power.
To re-architect a police force in the United States that transcends the states is an undertaking that in the current political climate is undoable. So advocating for abandoning the FBI effectively advocates for abandoning federal policing in general, and that certainly isn't going to have a net positive effect.
No. We won't.
You're going to give the FBI's responsibilities and tools to a new agency? It'll be crystal clear how it will develop the next day.
DHS was formed in 2002. By 2003 what we in the public would later know as "extraordinary rendition" became commonplace.
I think you guys are all being naive. Or maybe you guys really are just this innocent that you believe in the inability of newly formed agencies to act with capability and resolve.
Which would be especially simple in a situation where we get rid of the facility for investigating wrongdoing among law enforcement agencies. Which is, (checks notes), Ah, the FBI.
I'd be very careful following anyone telling us that the FBI is not enough. They've done it before, and we ended up with the Patriot Act. Then they told us the problem was not only the FBI, but CIA too! That landed us with a DHS and a FISA court that is illegal for us to even ask information on.
Think long and hard guys, about who exactly are the true people behind all these calls for new, more comprehensive agencies. And what their ultimate goals might be.
jaquesm is speaking reason here. There is no sane point to disbanding the FBI. They're doing their job. If they have made a mistake you don't like. File a complaint. You can even contact your congressperson. But disbanding them is not a reasonable option.
Instead they get blank checks and too much authority.
I saw more calls for disbanding recently along news items discrediting it ( for a good reason, but let me finish this sentence ) and in next breath proposing federal police replacing state enforcement.
I personally do not think it is a good idea. I like the idea of oversight ( and one that does not hide behind 'national security' ).
You don't need it in a world without modern technology. Not that you can have it. Technology is this enslaving, centralizing force which leads to all this... everything. Abolish it.
Huge number of politicians were involved with Epstein’s island. Which is looking like a huge honey pot. They must have crazy dirt on people sleeping with under age girls. They will do what they are told.
CIA met with him multiple times before he was killed in his cell.
Of course they could release his client list and put all those people in jail. But they won’t
If the CIA was accountable to the public, even in the loosest and most vague sense, that list would have been released on day 1. "Hey citizens, here's a list of the people who have been recorded sleeping with under age girls (and boys). Most of these people are powerful individuals who are C-Suite or higher at multiple Fortune 100 companies, or are currently sitting in the Senate or House".
But because the intelligence agencies have their own goals and are unaccountable by nature to the public, that list will never see the light of day, and will be used by the CIA to advance the CIA's desired goals, while funded by the taxpayer.
There's a reason Kennedy wanted to disband the organization entirely.
I can't forget reading declassified case of testing drugs (probably LSD) on unsuspecting people in a motel and surveying them. One particular detail that stuck in my head was the pleasure some agents were getting out of this "test" (documented by other, more adequate agent).
I've done LSD a handful of times, it's wonderful when done in the right set & setting.
Being dosed with LSD some 50-60 years ago without warning and without any knowledge of what LSD is or what it does to you....that's dystopian level shit. And it's not like mushrooms where after a few hours, you're back to normal. LSD lasts 12+ hours (and you're wired as hell for another 12 hours to the point where you can't sleep)....plus now you've got random people spying on you throughout the whole trip and you can't really understand why?
People in power really are sick assholes to their fellow human.
The ideologues who survived WW2 escaped and now have created an impenetrable fortress in the very heart of their enemy, and are using it as the base from which to enforce fundamentally racist, totalitarian-authoritarian ideologies which ultimately result in chaos, death and calamity at massive scale around the world.
The quote people use to say he wanted this...might not even be a real quote at all.