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Time and time again, Tesla is proving to just be a meme company. I wouldn’t touch their products even if they gave it to me for free.

I’ll stick with my “dumb” car (manual transmission) for as long as possible, reduce my dependency on cars in general (reducing carbon footprint of car usage and gas consumption).

Maybe the true players in the EV industry will rise. Too many fly by night companies right now with minimal reputation; and first generation models from more known companies.

Plus I’m still holding out for 500+ mi ranges on a single charge with a fully loaded vehicle. Hopefully some innovations in battery tech will make that a possibility.

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Is it that annoying to fill the tank if the car does <500mi? My car has 52L capacity (13.7 gallon) and usually does 10km/l (22g/mile) and it used to last me more than a week when I commuted.

How much are you driving per week?

> Plus I’m still holding out for 500+ mi ranges on a single charge with a fully loaded vehicle.

I would take that if it were kilometers, but with lights and heating at -5 Celsius, please

How often do you drive 500 miles in day?

I’m so tired of this argument. Any amount more than 0 precipitates a need for a vehicle with that range.

You mean even if I drive, say, 10 miles per day, I need a car that does 500+ miles on a single tank?

In clear conditions on well traveled roads, nah.

But I also just watched a video where a bridge closure turned a 7 minute drive into a 4.5 hour drive one way.

And I’ve been stuck behind a winter road closure that lasted several hours (after being several hours into our trip).

Got it. So much more extreme situations than "anything above 0".

My point is that going above 0 exposes you to extremes, especially the further north you go.

Risk management is important.

You mean "above 0" degrees? Or is 0 latitude? I really don't understand what "above 0" means here. I thought it was kilometers/miles.

It was in response to “how often do you do X”, so I took it to mean # of times you need to do X that is more than 0

everything makes sense now, thanks

I live in Montana. This means that a 500 mile EPA range (which i read as 500 miles on a mild day with no accessories activated) is going to mean a real range of around 400, cut down to 200 when the weather inevitability drops and stays below -10f (Tesla owners in MT were reporting exactly that - half the range in the cold weather).

200m, if you allow for an emergency buffer, can be a trip from home to the city around here. Or going from one city to another.

Texas offers similar length trips, just with AC instead of heating.

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