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Solaris is by far his best movie, even better than STALKER (which is itself excellent). It seems many have not seen it. They are missing out.

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STALKER created an entire franshise on it's own. Which to date has a very dedicated community.

It is one of the best psy-films of all time.

It also inspired a related post-disaster urban-exploration-style culture around the Chernobyl exclusion zone.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/09/the-stalkers-ins...

I really didn't enjoy the ending of Solaris and, for that matter, The Little Prince. You don't need to have a punchy ending for me not to feel like I wasted my time with your movie. It's okay to let the journey stand on its own rather than throwing in a climax that feels haphazard and spontaneous.

The original Solaris novel had a different ending, a disillusioned reflection by Kelvin, which I found much better. It was probably not dramatic enough for a movie, too analytical.

Aside from this, perhaps another reason why the first part of the movie looks and feels more promising than the second one is more trivial. As far as I know they experienced a budget shortage at some point of production.

Personally, I always found that the novel ends on a comparatively hopeful note, especially given the circumstances, the final word being cudów ("of miracles").

It's one of his most accessible movie, and usually resonates with tech people for obvious reasons. His best movies imo are Mirror, Ivan's Childhood, Andrei Rublev, Stalker and then Solaris, Nostalgia and Sacrifice.

Now Solaris book by Lem is far superior to Tarkovsky's rendition.

(His worst and most overrated)

edit re: slowness, it's a lot less slow than his final few works which I also adore. they're all great I just think the rest of his catalog gets less good word simply for drastically less popular exposure.

It's definitely a lot slower paced than our current ADD society is used to. An esteemed director like Kubrick's movies would seem unbearably slow to many.

I think Kubrick's movies are fantastic, deep, atmospheric, thought provoking. True art.

I have never made it all the way through one without falling asleep. 2001, Blade Runner, Dr. Strangelove.... Even movies loosely associated with Kubrick like A.I. cause me to nod off. I have to stop when I'm nodding off and come back later fresh in order to finish.

Maybe it would be different if I had seen them in theaters.

> 2001, Blade Runner, Dr. Strangelove....

Gladiator was also amazing!

Love that film. "No, I'm Spartacus!" Classic.

spartacus, spartacus the merciful \o/

Gladiator was shot by Ridley Scott, just like Blade Runner. Kubrick (who i love) is so legendary, he really should just get credit for every great movie in existence ))

Blade Runner is not a Kubrick film.

You're right. My mistake for lumping that in there.

I've never fallen asleep while watching 2001. It's definitely slow, but riveting for me, because (like Tarkovsky's film) there's a lot of meaning in the scenes, and they give me a lot to think about.

> "Maybe it would be different if I had seen them in theaters."

There's still chances to see 2001 in cinemas! It gets re-released somewhat regularly for anniversaries and Kubrick retrospectives, etc. I was born long after 2001 came out, but I've seen it on cinema screens many times. It was so far ahead of it's time and looks so incredibly good in 70mm that it's mind boggling to consider that it was actually made in the 1960s!

I love Stalker, and I'm a huge Tarkovsky fan, but hated Solaris. It doesn't hold a candle to Stalker.

I also like Tarkovsky's Mirror and The Sacrifice.

You might like the original book Solaris better. It has a unique atmosphere, isolation and mystery of the alien planet, and explores a different idea of alien life than we usually get in movies. This is hard to communicate in a movie, Tarkovsky did well, but it does not hold up as well as the book.

Wait, you hated Solaris? It was the first Tarkovsky movie that I watched and I really connected with its themes of the "real" vs "memories". It's hard for me to imagine anyone hating Solaris...

I still have not seen Mirror, though a few of my film friends have told me to check it out for years.

I started watching it tonight, because of this thread. It was my second attempt. I quit about 40 minutes in and started to browse IMDB user reviews in hope to understand it. The 1 star reviews resonated a lot with me. Hate is a strong word but definitely not my cup of tea.

Fair enough! You've definitely given it the college try and I won't criticize that!

Out of curiosity, is there anything in particular about it you didn't like or was it a "just not my thing" kind of thing?

I did not feel engaged to the plot. The dialogue felt abstract and kind of went over my head. Someone mentioned that the film is "very Russian" and perhaps that is part of it. I have extremely limited exposure to Russian culture but it feels quite introspective to me. I noticed the dialogue sounding a little like Putin, just sound-wise. Lots of "mmm" sounds which in my language people make when they are considering their next words. Somehow I see a connection there (that probably don't exist, if I am being rational)

You might try the Solaris novel instead. The movie was based on it, but as you know books can be very different.

I found the first part with all the meetings and philosophical debates on earth to be boring and hard to follow too, but if you stop there you’re missing out on the payoff of all that exposition. It really picks up once he gets to the space station.

But I found the opening shot of the plants in the stream to be revelatory, a tiny bit of film making that changed the way I viewed life.

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