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Comment by feanaro | Hacker News Reader

How will this happen if we don't accept it?

What does this mean? How do you "not accept this"? Are you jumping up and down now interior pictures are leaked from your Toyota? Do you not pay for recurring fees of licenses? Do you send an angry phone call in the general direction of Toyota HQ?

I drive a 30+ year old car. It can easily last another 10 years.

0 tracking by the manufacturer. No subscription services needed. No annoying beeping when you forget to put on your seatbelt for 10 seconds. No touchscreen, all physical buttons. No Android/Apple spyware. No cameras. No ads on any display. No car-key that can run out of battery.

It's nice.

Has to be a Saab 900

Or an early 90s honda

Toyota Camry

Same bucket here. But what do we do when it does need replacing? I don't own an old car because it's a hobby, I don't have a garage, and I also think that safety has improved a lot. There's a sweet spot to be found for cars with modern safety technology but without telemetry, subscriptions, or computerization (other than OBD-II). But these kind of cars seem to be on their way out. For now, I'll enjoy my manual transmission and roll-up windows!

Maybe there will be a market for a dumb electric car in the future.

Don't buy a new Toyota. Make it widely known why you're not buying it. Remove the modem and publish instructions on how to do so. Start or join an initiative to legally punish this.

Literally anything is better than sitting and solemnly spelling out what "will" and "must" be.

There's clearly no meeting of the minds (I didn't even know about this "agreement", let alone read and agree to it) so I don't understand how the terms could possibly be binding. Failure of the courts, I guess.

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