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Not having read the article, I got pretty far into your second paragraph before realizing you all aren't talking about configuring a modem over a serial link. It's funny because the "Hayes AT command set" protocol is also an obtuse crock. I was really hoping you were going to open my mind with some deep wisdom straight out of 1981.

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Yeah, I wish they hadn't clobbered the name of an existing, well-known protocol. It's still used in drivers for cellular modems (I'm working with it right now), which are getting more and more numerous for IoT applications.

Makes it really hard to search stuff. This has happened with Matrix, Go. Although using golang resolves issue with Go.

Indeed. As much as the k-based KDE app names might look or sound silly, they're mostly quite searchable due to being a tad different.

They might be searchable on the wider internet if you’re looking for info on them, but I can never remember them when I need them on the actual system.

Your launcher doesn't find them by description or substring?

Not reliably enough.

On my windows PC, I type ‘note’ and slam enter to open notepad a thousand times a day without a problem. On my KDE desktop ‘text’ seems to 50/50 bring up… whatever the text editor is called and 50/50 something else. Apparently “Kate” is what I’m after.

There is real value in naming things after what they do and it’s my sole gripe with KDE that they have stupid names.

On my cinnamon setup, typing "note" pulls up the settings panel for my installed basic text editor. :-|

I agree that 'go' has to be the worst naming from an SEO perspective. Only ones worse a single letter names. And TBH, they might be _better_ simply because they aren't a common English language word.

better than .net, admittedly.

nodejs has not solved this problem with "node" which is an admittedly shitty name for a very old amateur radio networking package.

It's a cheeky way to say @ protocol.

Maybe they could call it the Strudel protocol?

Man! I like that name already

"The protocol formerly known as Strudel"?

Fetus

I think to use the fetus the @ should represent a kernel, object, but in a generic form such / representing the top of the tree.

I can also see the term becoming controversial such male and female vs. plug and socket. Some see the former as blatantly sexual and the latter requiring dirty mind to be sexual.

Maybe it's best to hold off on that reference until we get more voices to chime in.

"Rocambole" would be even easier to search for

Ok, If I make a protocol I will call it "rocambole" but I will be thinking of the sand leek rather than the victorian fictional adventurer.

LOL I was mostly thinking of the swiss roll but I know it's only called rocambole in Brazil. It's got all sorts of names all over the world according to Wikipedia

I had no idea what it was. Those of what I found one seemed plausible and the other worth mentioning.

Glad it was something else entirely. The localization for Brazil can be rocambole.

Speaking of which, does anybody know a good freestanding C library that doesn't use dynamic allocation for the Hayes AT protocol?

I've certainly had to implement AT commands in C, but within a proprietary codebase.

It's tough to do in a freestanding way given that it's a command-response protocol. It's very convenient to depend on the specific uart API that's available.

Yes, I came for a critique of the Hayes AT commands.

I thought exactly the same. I will dive into configuring a Raspberry Pi to work with a 5G hat/SIM and will use at commands for this (first time ever). I was looking forward to reading how horrible an experience it will be and was a bit confused :D

> the "Hayes AT command set" protocol is also an obtuse crock

Yeah, but it's an obtuse crock that you can literally still here in your memories. How many protocols can say that? It has a special place in my heart, I think.

I keep a Hayes Smart Modem 300 within arm's reach of my desk just in case.

That's good. In case of home intruders you'll have a heavy, sturdy bludgeon at hand.

It's all the rage nowadays. Microsoft pushing LoRA, which has nothing to do with LoRa.

Hahaha… I clicked thinking the same. I was ready for a good rant on Hayes modem commands… :)

I had the same reaction. It seemed really weird to get upset about such an old thing.

Nostalgic outrage is one of the more interesting forms of nostalgia.

> Hayes AT command set" protocol is also an obtuse crock.

I will nake sure to reuse this name if I ever find myself developing an Obtuse crock.

Yes, I'm going to call my object database the ObtuseCrock. Everything that inherits from this base will be an obtuseCrock object. These can be addressed obtuseCrock.[1] or by name directly.

You sound like you may also be old enough to remember dealing with AT keyboard scan codes directly.

I can't say that I have had that pleasure, or if I have I didn't realize it by name. I've just spent a lot of time hammering out reliability issues on embedded cell modems with buggy firmware and power supplies that droop too much on 2G transmissions.

I assumed Hayes AT at first as well.

So anything later than 1981 is wisdomless?

ATH

I had the same reaction. (-_-)

This is completely irrelevant to the article and response

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