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family farm becomes a different thing when you start milking 1100 cows, it's usually a few of the family working with several undocumented immigrants. I live in upstate NY also tho our family sold the farm a couple of decades ago.

The farm we used to own has gone towards organic milk to get a premium for their product, and the family that bought it now relies heavily on undocumented immigrants.

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America relies heavily undocumented immigrants, from dairy to produce farm ag to meat processing to restaurants to landscaping.

An open secret is that ICE doesn't touch meat ag's workers except for token enforcement. It's a dangerous occupation that includes underage child labor, deaths, and amputations without a social security net.

If its an open secret (like the open mystery in Ephesians 3:9,10), can you provide some sources to substantiate your claim? Thanks!

An open secret is something which is widely known to be true amongst people, but which is denied officially, for that very reason, providing sources is more usually than not possible for an open secret.

I have no idea if an open secret is like the open mystery of Ephesians 3:9,10.

Indeed. That seems like a loaded cultural reference point considering the majority of the world (including Christendom) do fine not keeping up with bronze age letters as jargon. Maybe they mean an open secret like the Panama papers?

Your definition of an open secret is the best I've ever read, thx.

As a person of faith, the reference listed above was in poor taste. Scripture should never be used in cryptic ways.

This is the literal definition of an open secret: https://twitter.com/neeneinnyetno/status/1655217749495361536. It is common knowledge, even in the deep midwest where I am, that there is no construction happening anywhere which doesn't have a large undocumented labor component.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/02/20/meat-pa...

https://www.bu.edu/writingprogram/journal/past-issues/issue-...

What is “ag”?

A common abbreviation for agriculture.

This comment lacks sources and has a biased tone.

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