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Wayland is fine. I haven't run into any problems using it in Fedora. Wayland vs Xorg shouldn't affect gaming.

Fine for some, but for others there are still show-stoppers. I have a laptop with an Nvidia card and my latest attempt to use Wayland, on Fedora 38, didn't last very long at all before being forced to retreat to xorg by the issues.

This has been my every experience with Wayland + Nvidia thus far. Tried Tumbleweed and Fedora both, nothing but display bugs as far as the eye can see.

Lets not even talk about trying to use Wayland in a VM desktop -- Even Firefox/Chrome don't render properly.

Does your card have proper DRM support (the linux subsystem for managing video buffers)? That’s what wayland builds upon (instead of patching the xorg binary with some proprietary extension).

WTF? I thought NVIDIA had adopted an open-source core? Is this seriously something outsiders can't fix?

They have since started supporting the linux kernel and implemented its APIs more or less. I don’t own any nvidia card, so can’t really speak from first-hand experience though.

Yeah, hybrid laptops with Nvidia is still a no no. Currently I have setup: Arch (EndeavourOS) + KDE Plasma + Xorg, works with minor issues, with a Rog Zephyrus G15, with minor issues; it was/is enough to replace Windows entirely.

I'll try Wayland again this next semester, see if anything has changed.

Unfortunately, there is not much Wayland devs can do about Nvidia drivers.

But RHEL didn't even set a date for removing Xorg support so it will probably stick around for a long while.

An employee in the comments earlier said the next release (RHEL10) will remove it, but that won't be for another 10 years.

Given the status of "certified drivers" in Wayland due to their closed-source nature, either RedHat is giving up their graphic workstation business, or removing xorg won't happen any release soon.

Or they are trying to force the hand of nvidia and see who budges first.

Fair point :)

RHEL 9 will be supported for ~10 years, but RHEL is scheduled to come out in ~3 years. Fedora will probably still support it and I would bet some of the RHEL rebuilds will too.

I am positive on wayland, but am still missing some things I love with Xorg.

For example, I still use pidgin for all my messaging (even with Slack and our own custom protocol). In xorg, I can set my pidgin buddy list as a Utility Window, make it sticky, below all windows by default, and skip the taskbar. This makes the buddy list not show up in my alt-tab or as a running application (doesn't show up in the gnome-shell overview). Then I have a simple script using wnck to raise/lower the window using a hotkey, which gives me really quick access to my buddy list and chats.

_Some_ of this is possible in wayland, but not everything.

I also haven't found a replacement for devilspie for wayland, which I use to set a bunch of default properties on various applications, like size, virtual desktop number, stickyness, and so on.

Both of these things are really essential to my daily flow and are going to be hard to give up.

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