Or is it "Two Times Infinity"? (Hint: It isn't, because "Two Times Infinity" = "Infinity", while "Infinity Times Two" = "Infinity + Infinity". Not sure every kid knows that.)
Or is it "Two Times Infinity"? (Hint: It isn't, because "Two Times Infinity" = "Infinity", while "Infinity Times Two" = "Infinity + Infinity". Not sure every kid knows that.)
A number is represented in set theory as a set that contains all of the numbers before it. 0, 1, 2 is {}, {{}}, {{} {{}}}...
SO! If you start with a finite "a" and increment it infinite times, you still have infinity; you haven't broken out.
But if you start with Infinity, then adding anything to it gives you {Infinity}, {Infinity {Infinity}}, etc...
Transfinite addition is not commutative!
I am in no way a mathematician. My question about the definition of addition as it relates to set theory is just that; a question.
But your question actually hints at my most profound takeaway from that whole book. I think what you're saying is right, AND that foundations-of-mathematics folks spent a long intense period searching for different set theory axioms that did NOT lead to transfinite numbers. But anything anyone could come up with that included "the axiom of infinity" led to transfinites leaking in.
Which begs the question of how to think about these things. Are they "real"? Are they an oddball side effect that we shouldn't take seriously?
I think you've arrowed right to the philosophical heart of all of this.
I think we often end up at the end of logical thought processes back at the original question - how can we observe and describe a system that we are inherently a part of?
In that context the first quantity that you refer to above is nonsensical because you can't "increment infinitely many times".
Secondly, I'm not sure your construction is correct, since your Infinity+1 set cannot be a singleton (it must contain all the numbers less than Infinity).
For the first point, I went through the book long enough ago that I can't rebuild the proof here, but iirc the more rigorous idea is that you can construct a bijection between 1+ω and ω given the recipe I had above for how to represent numbers as sets, but you can't do it for ω+1, which is bijective with ω∪{ω}. The axiom of infinity declares that ω itself is a set, opening the door for transfinite numbers.
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