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If you want a Mac, go for it. But if your opposition is to Microsoft requiring newer model CPUs, that seems like a weird turn to take. You can't even upgrade RAM or storage on any of the Mac laptops; you're supposed to just go buy a new machine.

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Don't try to reason with people in these circumstances.

"I hate big cars and they increased the size of my favorite midrange SUV. I wanted to buy the latest generation but because it's too big I instead bought a Ford F150".

You wouldn't believe how often an equivalent scenario happens with laptops, phones, Linux distributions.

It's largely emotional aka spite. Plus an excuse of sorts for a guilty pleasure.

It is spite! I hate Microsoft putting ads into the OS, and pushing me to throw away a perfectly fine i7/32GB RAM computer. So a Mac it is. My first one btw. But it's not really a guilty pleasure - it's the best money/performance you can get now, especially if you do ML (thanks to Unified RAM).

While I think the Apple performance part is probably valid, you're still proving my point.

You absolutely did not have to throw anything away now, you wanted a new toy.

Windows 10 is still supported until November 2025, 2 and a half years from now.

Rather: I have a perfrctly gine computer but cannot upgrade it to Windows 11 for free, because Microsoft came up with random requirements. They want me to buy a new computer and pay for Windows again.

Also "security" is not a real excuse. If someone can physically grab my computer they will be able to break into it few days after Windows 11 is life since there will be some exploit like there always are.

So I will move to a platform that's literally more restrictive in every other way (in)humanely possible? Right!

Is it? I haven't seen any ads or a requirement to sign in with Microsoft/Apple account in macOS, there's no Pre-installed TikTok nor Angry Birds returning on every update and I haven't seen Apple discontinuing support for 6 years old computers.

It might be restrictive in all the ways I don't care about, but oh well.

> and I haven't seen Apple discontinuing support for 6 years old computers.

You mean the way macOS Ventura is only for their hardware released in the last six years? [1]

Apple’s absolutely do discontinue support for older hardware all the time when they release new macOS and iOS versions.

You can keep running the older operating system but it will stop receiving updates. It doesn’t seem hugely different to having to stay on Windows 10 instead of Windows 11.

1. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT213264

No point with arguing with these people.

I have noticed that people love their operating systems, especially in the Mac camp, even if switching to a different operating system would make almost no actual day-to-day difference in experience to them because they would be using the same applications/visiting the same websites anyway. And they like to make false claims about the other operating systems that they don't use.

There is a section of Apple users/fanbase that, if one day Cook instructs someone at Apple to run a remote command and wipe every single piece of data on their devices and nuke backups in iCloud as well, they will find a way to feel grateful about that and advocate and defend Apple in hordes even before Apple had the time to speak about it.

From the top of my mind it seems they would start with "I was struggling to get into the zen mode, disconnect, and seeing Apple failed to do with with ScreenTime their latest effort helped me perfectly. It just works!".

You can still find those people right in the Apple community forums. When I switched to Mac many years ago I was so surprised at the attitude longtime users there had with technical questions, just turning them over to the user asking why would they even need that change. Anything that deviated from the standard "expected" experience, even if it was an evident bug, was just treated with hubris by them. Many of those answers are still voted as best answer.

Yes. Whenever someone says 4chan is a bad forum etc, and 4chan is bad in many ways imho, then I remember https://discussions.apple.com - the Mariana Trench of intellectual decadence. So much that it seems a necessary requirement to be a member and user there is to dislodge your brain and store safely in the fridge before going there.

I mean that forum is hard to believe to be real - in short and politer terms.

For most users getting 24/32gb is all they will ever need.

Neither 24 GB nor 32 GB are base model specs; they're fairly expensive upgrades that you have to decide in advance because you can't modify the machine afterwards. You really need to know what your usage is going to be, otherwise you overpay for hardware you don't need or have to replace a machine because it's insufficient. If you have the money and inclination, max out the specs and be done with it. But, doing that because you're upset you're going to have to buy a new CPU doesn't make sense to me.

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