The “think of the good” argument is over played. Same was true for combustion engines, they will probably send us extinct.
I’d like it if people just stopped with it. People aren’t idiots, they know good things and very bad things can be achieved.
Who (that wasn't a billionaire owner of a social media company)? Also, major strawman.
Really? Because nobody seems to be talking about them. You talk about how bad things "will" occur. What about bad things that are literally happening right now?
Why should they go to school at all? Why should they study? What should they study? What should I tell them?
A person who works in tourism just told me that he wants to learn something safer, because he had no job during COVID, so he started studying web design. All I could tell him is that that job has peaked, and I believe tourism is safer at this point.
I mean, that's > 90% of all jobs! How will we cope with 90% unemployment?
(it should be obvious that this is not serious... humanity has survived "machines are taking all the jobs" many times before, and it will survive this one too)
Works for me.
> Who will own the AGI systems ?
Communities, ideally:
> How will they ensure they’re in alignment with the children’s goals ?
Community ownership tends to produce the best alignments with the goals of said community - including the children thereof.
I’m not being a prick on purpose, but one should ask these questions rather than reaching for blind optimism.
That's pretty much automatic if the AGI is free software trained on free data.
> I’m not being a prick on purpose
You ain't being a prick at all; they're questions worth asking. Their answers do depend on optimism, but said optimism ain't "blind" in the slightest; rather, the optimism is a prescription: a goal for which we should be striving, and which we should be keeping in mind in our slow march toward an AGI-enabled potentially-post-scarcity society.
Our lives are good. No child loses sleep for the bogeyman under the neighbor's bed.
What? Because we weren't burning fossil fuels before cars?
Besides forgetting about trains, steamships and the coal-powered Industrial Revolution, you're ignoring the billions of lives lifted out of poverty.
!RemindMe 150 years
Climate change is a serious issue, but you cheapen and discredit it by exaggerating its impact. There is zero chance climate change will cause humans to go extinct. If my stance is incorrect, please reply with some evidence.
At least a modern civilisation like the one we have today. Societal collapse is on the cards for sure if we stay in the current trajectory.
I’m not going to waste time providing you with evidence I’m sorry. You should already understand the situation.
The world is going through a mass extinction event because of burning oil and coal and combustion engines have been an absolutely integral part of that ecological disaster. So yes.
Just be real about it? Why do “EV” subsidies exist? To wean us off combustion engines to save the planet.
Combustion engines should’ve been much more carefully regulated and we should’ve had better incentives against their use.
Alright unabomber. What an unhinged statement that is.
Combustion engine that is arguably one of the major causes of reducing poverty everywhere is a bad thing, I tell you hwat!
I love how you people(and it's generally people from developed countries too lol) can't think beyond your own needs and POVs. Yeah man, how dare the poor people in developing and impoverished nations increase their QoL.
We could've deployed nuclear a long time ago, wind etc. We could've used and invested further in electric tractors 50 years ago.
You're conflating what I'm saying, I'm not saying technology wasn't helpful, I'm saying the internal combustion engine, sucked and still sucks and that we need to be careful when deploying technology at scale.
It wasn't just the internal combustion engine that has been a problem, oil wars, dictators, lead based fuels, deaths from air pollute, these thing have caused incredible amounts of harm.
Lastly, we're not also out of the woods yet, it's not over, go look at some climate charts and look at the trajectory we're on, the world is getting hotter, faster. Also strip mining the world for lithium and cobalt will also have massive implications for the planet.
I know we like to think we're clever, but we're rarely wise.
It sounds like the bottleneck is lack of foresight. Our ancestors were incapable of seeing the end result of ICEs everywhere when they were first used. How is any future civilization supposed to combat this when they aren't handed the correct answer by some forebearer civilization that destroyed itself first? It feels like not only humans but all future intelligent life with access to petroleum would fall into this trap over and over again.
It's as if the only way to avoid the current scenario is to discover all the petroleum and then not touch it for the rest of time. About the only guardrail that could incentivize that behavior in my mind is the blind faith of religion.
Read up about the world class tram system in Sydney, bicycle networks in LA and what killed all that. Take a look at all the coal lobbies in Australia. Wars for oil in the Middle East, it just goes on and on.