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How is any of this relevant to a discussion of Huawei? "Yeah, but someone else is doing it, too" isn't a useful point to make.

Do you have any documented backdoors found on any huawei product?

Anytime there is discussion of China here, you can set your watch to the whataboutist replies rather reliably.

> How is american governments access to other nations data fine but not the other way around?

Nothing's stopping nation-states from forking Linux-based systems and open source tools to circumvent Microsoft, Apple, Netgear, etc. There isn't enough political buy-in to wean countries off of Windows, Mac, Android, Intel, AMD etc.

German schools for a while used OpenOffice as Office 365 had too many privacy issues. But these are small-scale changes that are temporary, and don't go beyond the muncipality level [0].

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/07/germa...

So the US Government is banning US companies from selling to Huawei for US national security reasons. Those reasons can relate to potential threats rather than proven actions. There is no court of law and presumption of innocence until proven guilty in this process.

The Chinese government could absolutely ban Chinese companies from selling to companies closely affiliated with the US Government if they wanted to and I imagine there are some Chinese companies/products that are subject to export restrictions.

Various governments around the world are enforcing different import/export/data rules to protect their citizens.

These things are all 'fine' or at least understandable and well within the expected behaviour of sovereign nations.

Uhhhhh apples to oranges. The level of functionality on behalf of the government is completely different (being that Huawei is an arm of the PRC) making your comparison off base. Documented intel management engine…

Last I know, there is no tangible evidence linking documented backdoors in huawei network equipment. If my memory serves me right, huawei was ahead of others in 5G and american and other companies saw that as a threat and suddenly huawei equipment had unknown backdoors and suspicions.

I would be happy to be proved wrong but how does being funded or managed or owned by PRC influence anything unless there are actual backdoors?

Just because huawei is funded by PRC does that make them guilty?

When national security is at stake you can’t trust your literal greatest rival to build your infrastructure. I really don’t think people making arguments like this are being honest, they just can’t be.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639276

This Hn poster wrote this. So CIA is selling backdoored equipment which is fine for you?

Yeah actually, I'd rather have my government doing the backdooring than a foreign one. My interests are generally more aligned with the US government's than China's.

cool.

another question.

What about someone in EU or africa or india. who should in your opinion spy on them? usa or china?

No one ideally, but in the real world someone is going to be. It's considered basically accepted by governments, just don't get caught.

That being said, it's interesting that a lot of the China vs US heat started ramping up right when China rounded up a bunch of CIA assets in the country. It's arguable from a game theory perspective that everyone's better off with a bunch of spying so everyone knows what's really going on in a country. Transparency is usually considered good in other areas. I can't see why that wouldn't apply here.

It's also worth pointing out that by and large, it's very likely the important programs aren't spying on day to day citizens, especially as the war on terror has faded. They're just not that important, and it's riskier. It's economic, military, and political espionage.

Ideally both to be safe...

Maybe just add a third neutral participant to have three spying forces for no breaks.

Everything on that thread you linked has no credible sources.

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