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This seems like a bit of a reach. "Move fast and break things" to me means take risks, don't get bogged down in process or do the same thing everyone else is doing. I don't see how you get from that to stabbing people. Your other quote is nice but it's a bit silly to apply it to a literal stabbing.

When the person stabbed was the CTO of a company just accused a week earlier of fraud and facilitating illegal transactions, it may not be that silly.

https://hindenburgresearch.com/block/

This is extremely unhelpful speculation, Bob Lee had not been a part of Square/Block for many years before the incident, if this was truly connected to the facilitation of money laundering and fraud, why target an ex-CTO of all people?

Thank you, I’ll need to look into it more.

The report is about the use of user number fraud and illegal transactions to enable key early insiders to cash out and leave the company in decline. That said, it looks like most of the accusations in the report are after he left the company.

i'm not sure what you call the situation where someone just says something with 0 basis but wants to sound like they are making some kind of critical point. it's akin to journalism where they ask a question in the title, and because it's a question, they're legally allowed to post it even if it's completely incorrect and has a 99% chance that the answer is "No"

Move fast and break things can also mean "undermine political systems, enable genocide, and damage the psychology of all generations that grow up in the digital era, for profit." So it's not as far of a reach to stabbing people as you want to believe.

Those are two broad classifications.

Any two broad classifications will have some overlap. I don’t think you’ve demonstrated that this overlap is any bigger than with any other random classification (hair color, height, type of car they drive , etc.).

Really? I would have to at least assume that people who have committed murders have, on average, a higher propensity for risk taking than the average person.

I’d guess higher rates of mental illness, trauma, exposure to violence, overwhelming emotional responses, impulsiveness and a greater value on short-term instead of long-term goals.

I know plenty of business/sports risk takers that have no criminal history. I really don’t think it’s in the top 10 most important factors.

Have you been to the street where this happened? It's not a "the streets of SF are the way they are" thing. At all.

Nah, there's something to this: "move fast and break things" sure. Like, the tech bubble hasn't been kind to everyone. There is a sort of "bubble up and push everyone else" type of unrestrained competitiveness--sort of like (in analogy or simile, not hi-fi) the "sociopathic corporate culture" of the 80s that Bret Easton Ellis tries to skewer in American Psycho.

Capitalism and corporatism has always been violent, in many senses of the word (not just American, consider the various colonial "East India" companies). So while that's not new, there's something to the idea that particularly effusive emanations of corporate splendor or their nexes are coupled to physical violence, destruction and moral collapsism pragmas.

Except the alleged perpetrator doesn’t live job SF, so your argument falls apart. They’re from Emeryville.

Look all I'm saying is that maybe instead of assuming the problems in the streets of SF are caused by degenerate hobos that maybe, just maybe, they're caused by degenerate tech bros.

Like who has the real power in this situation? the hobos or the techbros?

I don't expect hobos to be able to fix their situation, but I expect the people with money and resources to be able to. The fact that they don't shows that they don't want to.

Tech bros don't have political power, they're too busy working. California political power is held by rich retired people, children of upper class families, and landlords.

>Tech bros don't have political power, they're too busy working.

What?!

https://sfstandard.com/politics/tech-families-abundant-sf-mi...

This article is literally about a group that hopes to exist but doesn't exist yet?

YIMBY is doing great things at the state level but has the support of most statewide voters and unions (except for the building trades union.)

Did you happen to not read the part where the people involved have already worked to shape SF politics?

Also, do people get titles (Political Director Abundant SF) for entities that don't exist? https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-david-7998473

Do they have power comparable to TODCO, Dean Preston, the Sierra Club chapter that spends all their time getting laundromats declared historic buildings, etc?

Why not blame the politicians?

do people that work in tech commit murder and violent crime at higher rates than the general population?

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