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...not until more EVs are available in the $20-30k price range. Most people can't afford new vehicles @ $30k+

There's at least 5 models now in that range new, and the number of EV models now hitting that price range as pre-owned is increasing each year. People have been repeating the "there's no affordable evs" line so long it's now no longer true.

https://www.truecar.com/best-cars-trucks/fuel-electric/price... https://www.kbb.com/best-cars/best-used-electric-cars-under-...

Subtract $7500 for the federal EV rebate and up to $7500 for state rebates, and some buyers will see starting prices under $15k.

Go ahead and click through, on that top 10 list, only the 2018 Tesla 3 actual had any availability for sale within 50 miles of my location.

Conversely, only the e-golf and Fiat are unavailable within 50 miles of my location in Central Texas. All others have 4-10 vehicles available in my area.

The e-golf and fiat are available delivered if I was really dead-set on those.

None of that negates my point in any way.

Averages suggest otherwise: the average new car price in December was $49k, and the average Ford pickup was $66k.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01/the-average-new-car-pri...

If you look at the top 25, many are over that $30k number:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car...

No one at almost any income level buys small cheap $20k - $30k cars. They take out a loan to buy an F150, RAM, or midsized crossover. Or buy used.

*In the US

Of course they do.

That’s why the Corolla is as popular as it is.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g39628015/best-selling-car...

It's on the list sure, but no sedan is the massive mainstream seller that they used to be.

If we exclude the Big 3 pickups from this list due to the outsized impact of fleet purchases on those numbers, the Camry is the second-best selling car of 2022, behind the RAV4. Honestly, I'm impressed that the humble sedan is holding on as much as it is!

Pickups are common personal vehicles.

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