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That’s the underlying premise of their politics. The immigrants Hilary Clinton wants to bring to the country aren’t any less “deplorable” (from her viewpoint) than rural white Americans. They are just don’t feel the same ownership over the society, and are willing to support people like Clinton in return for being allowed to come here.

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Immigrants can't vote so this logic is bizarre. The people who make the most money off illegal immigrants in the US are rural land owners, meat packing plant owners, etc. They don't want illegal immigration to stop they just want to keep those laborers cheap which wouldn't happen with a reform that makes them comfortable seeking a new employer.

What speech or policy has any democrat made that supports any of what you are saying?

The proles by definition don't own capital, social or otherwise. I find the focus on Clinton a bit short-sighted. She certainly bought into the Reaganite neoliberalism (her husband cemented it into American zeitgeist for a generation by embracing it), but I'd hardly call her the source of it. And I'd take more offense at being called a "dumb, cousin-fucking terrorist"[0] than a "deplorable", but either way these people will not be served by either side.

[0]https://twitter.com/Eric_Alterman/status/1634971075334508544

To be fair, I don't think those people think about any concept of "ownership" of society or culture, except perhaps that they 'own' society and you will do as you are told. They presumably look at everyone else as cattle to be herded, and as long as the prevailing culture does not involve anything about guillotining the elites, we can do whatever we want, especially if it's something from which these 'elites' can profit.

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