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Multiple factors made me implement this:

- ChatGPT Plus is crazy expensive, and the free tier is often down. I found it especially frustrating to not get access to my chat history when ChatGPT's load was high. Since alternative clients go through the API, their are exempt from load balancing.

- A native client is lightweight and doesn't rely on web technologies. This is a matter of personal taste, but I like the look and feel of native apps better than web pages.

- Current native clients are both very new and ill-fitted to my needs (I really like the LaTeX rendering feature and I want to be able to browse my chat history)

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> ChatGPT Plus is crazy expensive

$20 per month is not crazy expensive relative to the value it provides.

*$20USD per month ($30AUD), which is pretty damn expensive when you don't live in the USA. The USD has been inflated in value for so long now we have to be careful what we buy in that currency.

$30 AUD is not super expensive in Australia either, pub meal is about that these days.

That's a lot of money for some people; especially when everything is a subscription these days.

Depends on your usage, I guess. I personnaly couldn't justify it. In the last few weeks, I've used the API extensively and total cost comes to a few dollars max.

Admittedly, the API doesn't provide nearly as many features as ChatGPT Plus does. To each their own !

> Admittedly, the API doesn’t provide nearly as many features as ChatGPT Plus does.

A lot of the ChatGPT Plus features are features of the wrapper rather than the model, sure. Then again, that’s what things like Langchain are for, right?

Not even kidding, I would pay $1000 USD per month for GPT4 access.

You know you can use phind.com with GPT4 access in both expert and creative mode? It's fine-tuned for writing code, but it's good for other stuff, too. Or do you mean API access? There is a form to fill out and they seem to be pretty generous with handing out access.

https://openai.com/waitlist/gpt-4-api

(edit: They didn't email me, I checked one day and I was able to use model="GPT-4", but not the 32K model.)

Wow, is phind completely free? How do you know that they're using GPT under the hood for their answers?

edit: found their ShowHN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34884338 Anyway thanks for this recommendation!

Got off the waitlist for GPT4 the other day and have been experimenting with it a bunch for coding tasks (generation, review, planning, bug fixing etc.). I prefer 3.5 for the speed and cost and move to 4 for accuracy / detail when necessary.

Well, soon you'll can. Just select the GPT-4 32k and voila. 30 dollars a day.

I'm on the waiting list for GPT4 API access. Giving this thing an entire projects codebase will be super interesting!

i have been using it for some time. Great, but it has a tendency to give short answers and don't use the full context available. even if you set the max response size to 20k.

Comparing it to pasting code into GPT4 (the chat interface), how much better is it? I can't wait to see what this can do when an entire codebase can be held within the context window.

Yeah, it can help with some things, but if you ask it to, say, convert a python app to Go, even with plenty of context it will give you hints without full implementation.

I suppose they favored concise answers in the fine tunning process and reused the model to train the 32k.

Things that I have been doing: paste full table DDL with entities and other classes involved and asking for some refactoring of a class. Also that and some stacktraces. It definitely helps, but the price (at least on azure) make me think twice before using.

Also azure playground is awful.

How do you use it? I’ve been trying to change my habits to use it more, but some of those grooves are pretty deep and it just doesn’t come to mind.

It's been a watershed moment for me and honestly, even after just a few months I can't imagine life without it.

I'm not so sure, would you mind elaborating? I can definitely see the benefit for some professions such as writers etc, but outside of that I haven't seen a use case yet where I've felt it's provided enough benefit to justify the price.

enjoying the app.

- I would love a toggle to make the left hand chats just title, no preview to save space.

- Reordering of chats.

- When i am in a chat, the upper right should say the model but it just says 'GPT...'.

- Ability to copy just code blocks to clipboard like in the traditional chatgpt plus interface.

- Ability to export a chat.

Replying in order:

- Noted ! This shouldn't be too hard to implement.

- This is an important feature, I'm looking to implement it in the very near future.

- I had this happen a few times. I'll try to troubleshoot the issue. In the meantime, I found that resizing the window fixed the issue.

- Yup ! I've added it to the to-do list.

- What kind of format would you find useful ?

I'm happy you're enjoying the app.

Don’t really have any format in mind, txt is would be okay. When this app gets a newer version, how would I know? I’ve never purchased from gumroad before.

When I publish an update, I can push an email to those who downloaded the app. I'll probably end up adding some opt-in auto update feature in the app at some point

it's $20/mo... that's pretty cheap no?

If you're from the US, it's roughly 0.03% of the average monthly income [0], if you're from Afganistan it's 60% of the average monthly income. What's cheap for you isn't cheap for others.

[0] https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php

expensive in brazil, at least.

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