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This is just anecdotal, but I personally have lingering issues from my vaccinations - I started experiencing moderately intense joint pains a few weeks after my booster shot, and they've been cyclically recurring for the past 15 months. I was afraid that it was Rheumatoid Arthritis and saw multiple rheumatologists, who told me that the vaccine likely caused my issues, and that they had seen a big uptick in young men coming to them with problems ever since the vaccines were deployed. Another friend of mine developed permanent tinnitus after his second shot.

Keep preaching that the vaccines cause trouble and you'll find trouble--whether or not it actually exists. Anecdotal evidence is useless, VAERS "evidence" is useless--it exists to provide hints as to where to look for trouble but doesn't prove trouble no matter what pattern you see because it can be just a reporting issue.

Many people in my close circles got the shot then rushed to the emergency room within usually 24 hours to severe heart pain. And all these people continue to get covid even after having taken the shot. So glad I did not risk it.

If they think it's going to cause that kind of trouble you can get that result even if the needle is filled with saline.

I haven't even heard of severe heart pain being a known side effect.

By the same token, if the vast majority of doctors and even people who take the shots are (completely unjustifiably) certain they can't be the cause of any issues, then problems will tend to be under reported. And indeed this is exactly what is going on, helped along by financial and professional/reputational incentives being almost 100% aligned in favor of the foregone conclusion that "the shots are a net risk benefit."

Your comment is a great example of this sort of bias: you haven't heard of severe heart pain being linked to the vaccines, despite the fact it is a very common symptom of myo/pericarditis, which are known to be caused by these injections.

> rheumatologists, who told me that the vaccine likely caused my issues

That rheumatologist's name? Albert Einstein. And everybody clapped. Eyeroll.

I think the microchips are getting to your brain.

What risks? The vaccines are safe and effective.

Myocarditis, pericarditis, "long COVID" symptoms, Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), cerebral venous thrombosis, blood clots, acquired hemophilia A, death.

Just to name few.

That's why everyone still got covid after 3+ shots.

That's why they survived COVID. I know everyone likes to ignore this now but hospitals and morgues are still overflowing with the unvaxxed. They should be sent home to keep non-insane people safe!

I'm not ignoring it as I have eyes and can read and understand information. The lack of critical thinking in this country is astounding.

'It's Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled'

It's so sad how many "smart" people STILL believe that mRNA coivd vaccines are SaFe AnD EfEcTiVe. It is quite clear from studies and evidence they they are most certainly neither safe or effective.

> I know everyone likes to ignore this now but hospitals and morgues are still overflowing with the unvaxxed.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, or if you're completely delusional. But either way this statement is patently false.

Would you count smokers and obese people as also "insane"? Those are also two massive predictors of (all cause) mortality.

Smokers and the obese are largely based in reality.

The smokers aren't linking nicotine patches to government microchip implants, and the obese aren't staying fat to try to block out the 5G signals.

Have you considered that some of the crazy sounding people might be intentionally associating crazy ideas with a counter establishment movement? So that the movement is discredited by association.

The establishment has a clear incentive to do this, I would be kind of surprised if they were so pure as to abstain from it. Sure, some gullible people actually go along with the crazy, but I think those are likely a small minority of the counter establishment movements by people count.

The transitive negative social vibes of the crazy ideas makes non-crazy people reluctant to discuss such counter establishment movements in public. E.g. perfectly rational reasons to be cautious about a new vaccine platform are drowned out by and associated with crazy ideas about microchips and 5G, like you say.

It's called " well poisoning".

You take a plausible idea and make it implausible by adding something crazy.

It is entirely rational to question whether you want to take an experimental medication ( odds are you shouldn't), so to discredit people with entirely rational questions about the safety the wildest voices were cultivated, the ones saying that it was 5G activated or magnetic.

That's a pretty prejudiced way to view people who decided not to get vaccinated. Have you met people who espouse those conspiratorial beliefs in real life?

I've only met one person I could consider an antivaxer. We found out she possibly didn't give her second child the usual childhood shots because her first child cried a lot from them.

They can be pretty seriously in denial, trying to pretend it's not a problem because it's too hard to do something about.

There's enough immune escape that the shots simply provide a less serious infection. That's still worthwhile.

> the shots simply provide a less serious infection

That's nothing more than talking point with no evidence.

lol, what kind of nonsense is this.

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