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Hard to believe that is true, or else Bard would probably not perform so bad.

Bard is only a week old and has a large "experimental" sticker on it. Besides its UI is better and the answers are succinct which I prefer.

They literally copied the Chatgpt UI, lol, only it looks like a dated Google UI. How do you prefer answers with less data?... that's crazy.

I just don't want to be hit with a wall of text every single time, it gets the point across with minimal padding (high signal to noise ratio), ChatGPT feels like it gets paid by the word and they do actually charge by token if you use the API.

As for the UI it's a take on the tried and true chat UI same as ChatGPT's, it spits the whole answer at once instead of feeding it to you one word at a time, it has an alternative drafts button, the Google it button is a nice touch and it feels quicker.

You can combat that in the prompt, I use "just code, no words" which will also remove code comments from output. Bard doesn't respect the same request. You can be more succinct with chatgpt. Half the things I ask for in Bard give me this:

"I'm still learning coding skills, so at the moment I can't help with this. I'm trained to do things like help you write lists about different topics, compare things, or build travel itineraries. Do you want to try any of those now?"

Longer instructions? Which part of "less is more" do you not understand?

What part of succinct do you not understand? Bard provides a bunch of useless text too, only you can't get rid of it. No worries, you don't know how to use chatgpt, have fun with Bard until Google cancels it.

doing a visual diff will show you it's not a literal copy

I'm talking design, not code, lol...

Google only has a fraction of the training data. OpenAI had a huge head start and has been collecting training data for years now. ChatGPT is also wildly popular which has given them tons more training data. It's estimated that ChatGPT gained over 100 million users in the first two months alone, and may have over 13 million active users daily.

The logs on ShareGPT are merely a drop in the bucket.

> Google only has a fraction of the training data.

Uh, what? The same Google that has been crawling, indexing, and letting people search the entire Internet for the last 25 years? They have owned DeepMind for nearly twice as long as OpenAI has been in existence!

If anything this is proof that no one at Google can get anything done anymore, and lack of training data ain't the problem.

The alignment portion of training requires you to have upvote/downvote data on many LLM responses. Google’s attempt at that (at least according to the news so far) was asking all employees to volunteer time ranking the responses. Combined with no historical feedback from ChatGPT, they are behind.

Yeah, Bard’s replies aren’t nothing like that from ChatGPT.

I wonder is it possible to use ChatGPT for competitor analysis?

If the responses are not used in the final training data I don’t see how this is being something controversial

Also if Google’s compliance team can’t even do, as recognizing this level of legal risk, even if there are probably an army of top paid lawyers they hired, I don’t know what to say. Maybe they should fall then.

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