I say this because most Americans have the impression that the US on the cutting edge with technology, but in terms of electric cars, the US is really far behind.
I say this because most Americans have the impression that the US on the cutting edge with technology, but in terms of electric cars, the US is really far behind.
Ekhem, I think you live in a really wealthy place in EU, maybe Norway that subsidies electric cars so e.g. plumbers are driving Teslas.
But in the real world, electric cars are too expensive for normies to buy.
Car sharing - OK, that's available - but I'm yet to drive such car, because in in city in Poland there are only few such cars available (for a normal price) to drive. And I would like to test them out - but not at the price of driving to the other side of the city.
Car rental - tried that - either not available or too expensive to rent (trip to Italy last year).
I haven't been to Poland, but I'm surprised that the car sharing options there are worse than in Hungary.
Everyone is, in fact, aware of the price hike of new gas cars to try to make electric cars competitive. Not so long ago it was possible to buy new gas car <15k.
Whats the SOH on yours?
The old girl is still giving about 80% of original range. I also don't drive it on the highway unless it is the only option.
Today it is still down "2 bars" and gives me 114km range estimate on a full charge.
I do drive it like a grandma though (since I'm unemployed and not in a big rush like most drivers).
A huge difference is going to be in four or five years when currently new cars start really showing up on the used car market. At the same time, there will be more entry-level priced new EVs (in part because of laws like this, but also just the normal technology development cycle)
Though, on the other hand, if the driving patterns in the EU favor extremely short trips in a temperate climate then maybe that's actually fine.
If you can't, then you should be buying used. But in that case the phaseout of availability for new vehicles doesn't affect you.
Nobody can know this because the Model 3 was introduced mid-2017, so the very oldest ones are now only under 6 years old. We need to wait until 2032 to have 15 year data on just the first year production run logevity and TCO.
That is not how TCO over 15 years is calculated.
You need data for the same fleet of cars over 15 years, you don't buy the same car over and over for 15 years. It's not relevant that the 2022 model is different, the TCO is for the 2007 model year cars (using 2007 as the example).
So for a 2007 Camry, we could poll all owners of Camrys built in 2007 to get data about their TCO over the past 15 years. We can't do that for a Tesla Model 3 since nobody has owned one for 15 years so there is nobody to poll yet.
The TCO for cars is based on projected reliability, whether it's a Tesla or a Toyota. It's a mathematical model based on incomplete data in both cases.
Ask again in 20 years, I expect to update these values.
And Tesla 3 starts at 47k EUR.
Last new car I bought was for 13k EUR (but that was 10 years ago, so it is not directly comparable) - segment B is enough for me.
What you describe may exist (now) in a selected subset of EU cities, but it is not at all common nor ubiquitous all over EU.
Please, list the cities you went to that offer these services, very likely they are a handful (i.e. not "a lot") and only in a few countries of EU.
How is the situation in Hungary, outside Budapest?
The land itself isn't driving anywhere.
This is kinda the opposite problem of those who reject immigration "because {insert country name here} is full" — unless you're living in a city-sate it isn't even remotely full, it's just that most of the people have chosen live close to other people, which both makes it feel crowded and means that goods and services which kinda need high density environments are actually fine.
And what is the definition of some urban area in Hungary? Do you really believe a small towns with 1000-10000 inhabitants have electric car rentals available?
Second, I just looked up Hungarian towns by population, in that range, first one I found was Ráckeve, it has three car rentals.
I can't tell what engine types the two which aren't "fancy old-timer VIP cars" rent out (and not only because even Chrome refuses to offer to translate for me), and you might not count the location anyway because it's on a short distance train line to the capital.
Making a prediction from the number of vehicles in their publicity shots and the penetration of electric car sales, I'd guess even odds there's at least one electric vehicle, in that location, at the moment, that gets rented out.
Looking at the google maps aerial photos of some of the places with population of 1k, I wouldn't count such small places as urban. I'm not sure what definition Wolfram Alpha used when I asked it for the number.
Why are trying so hard to make believe something exists when it does not?
Please believe that average Hungarian(or European) is not living couple of minutes away from an electric car rent company. What user 'yosito' wrote is a figment of imagination. If you don't believe me, there are many Europeans here who are telling you he is wrong.
I know it's not the case for the majority of Swedes. I live in Gothenburg, the car mecka of Sweden/Northern Europe. We have electric car rental if you live in the city center (along with the other 10% or so of the inhabitants). I actually live quite close to the Volvo factories. Nope - definitely no 2 min walk to pick up any electric car rental.
If you're not interested in cars, you may need to look more carefully to spot them. Here in Denmark, there are plenty of Teslas around, but there are also EVs from normal brands (VW, BMW, Volvo etc) which go unnoticed, except the lack of an exhaust pipe.
Look especially at new cars, 31% of new cars in Germany are electric.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car_use_by_country (2nd chart).
"Anytime I need a car in Europe, I just use an app and walk a couple minutes to the nearest electric car."
That sentence is completely untrue for large majority of Europeans who need a car to drive.
Yes electric cars are more expensive but the initial investment is not that different from buying any new diesel or petrol powered car.
We also like, from time to time, to drive thousands of km during leisure trips (read: driving to a holiday destination while hopping from a nice place on the way to another) without being constantly worried about the battery range.
Oh, and we appreciate our car being designed with comfort in mind (read: spacious) rather than range (read: see those ugly dome-shaped Prius).
But they are still very very expensive! In Germany for example: - Kia Niro EV, crosover/mini-suv, 47.590 € (ICE with mild-hybrid 32.590 €) - BMW 3 wagon, ICE, starts at 46.300,00 €
So no, thank you. If I have that much money I will buy anything but expensive, lower class EV.
For people with a low budget, probably cheapest wagon option is Dacia Jogger, starting 16.900 €. Find my reasonable priced, decent sized wagon for someone who can afford max 20k loan for a car.
So no. If prices of EVs don't drop by 20%, and range (real, not on the paper) doesn't increase to at least 450 km in light winter conditions then I don't want to see an EV, although it's cool to drive.
Also I live in a pretty new building, 5 years old in a really big city. We don't have chargers in the underground garage, although there is close to 200 apartments here.
What is the model exactly?
I can see it being useful to cut the bureaucracy of car rental out, but what are these prices and how do they make sense vs buying a car outright?
I know some people who use public transport / (e-)bikes exclusively but every once in a while want to visit a relative out in the wood or make a bigger purchases which would be hard to transport otherwise (some of them also own a cargo trailer for their bikes).
It's not a majority by any means but for some people it work
They would have to maintain and store a basically unused car otherwise.
That is some range!
These cars are just dangerous. Trying to accelerate rapidly to make a merge? Actually impossible. A stoppage in traffic is coming? Just mash the brake pedal hard.. Maybe they have a deal with brake pad manufacturers... Sitting at a stoplight and want to fumble around with something? If you accidentally slip off the brake pedal, the DEFAULT behavior of the vehicle is to GO. What kind of design is that? Not to mention the gas station 'experience'