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“Waiting to see if it actually works” is called clinical trials. It worked great.

Any 5 year data you can point to?

You would’ve preferred waiting until 2026 for a covid vaccine, even though it was clear that it worked? That sounds pretty malicious and selfish.

Natural immunity has been shown to be at least as good if not superior to the vaccine, as shown in peer-reviewed research published in the Lancet. So following science is malicious and selfish?

Likewise, "CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese" (source: NBC). So 78% of the people who are overwhelming our healthcare system are people who eat too much. Will you call them malicious and selfish as well? Eating less has 0 side effects and is actually beneficial for others as well, as BMI is correlated with COVID transmission (from a study published in Nature).

Now who has the media criticized over the past 2 years? The young healthy athlete who is most at risk for myocarditis after vaccination, or the obese person who is responsible for increased transmission and overwhelming the healthcare system?

Without any hesitation at all, yes. That is how medical science works. That is why we have the scientific method and testing procedures.

Covid was an obese disease. That was hidden from you to such a point you are willing to inject the entire population with unknown and untested substances.

This comment isn’t even for you, but others that aren’t so deep in it. This is how effective the media was on them, crazy huh?

Actually, medical science and the scientific method and testing procedures showed that the vaccines were safe and effective for use in 2021.

"Safe and effective" is an ambiguous term that omits the risk-benefit ratio for each individual. It also does not discuss the risk-benefit ratio given the variant. Indeed, the obese, those over 50, and those with prior health conditions were at highest risk. But what about the young healthy athlete with no existing medical conditions? And what use is vaccination when one already has natural immunity, which is at least as good, if not superior, to protection from vaccination (from a peer-reviewed publication in the Lancet)?

Funny enough when I discussed antivaxxer and brought up polio, no one ever corrected me and said thant they are not against vaccines but only against 'untestes'/COVID ones.

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