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This is worrying since I have accidently opened dev tools hundreds of times by clicking both mouse buttons when my cursor is near the bottom of the screen.

I have a tic disorder (not Tourette's, because my tics are all nonverbal). One of my tics is that I mash both mouse buttons over empty space pretty frequently. I even go out of my way to keep my cursor positioned over empty space so I can mash the mouse buttons when I need to, and it's not uncommon for me to move the cursor while mashing the buttons. If the cursor is towards the bottom of the screen, that's pretty much guaranteed to open dev tools, since all it takes is a small motion of the cursor with the right-click menu open to hit the 'Inspect' option.

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This is why I despise gestural focused computing. Of all the features in any software, I think my least favorite is pull-to-refresh.

I suspect that would be easy to solve with smarter context menus that could ignore clicks likely to be accidental, since "Accidentally clicking the thing that just popped up before you even see it" is a common ish mistake worth implementing workarounds for.

>I even go out of my way to keep my cursor positioned over empty space so I can mash the mouse buttons when I need to

I have severe and sporadic clonus in my mousin' arm. I do exactly the same thing when I need to keep my hand on the mouse.

Another thing that I have done off-and-on to accomodate certain software is to have my keyboard or mouse 'toggled' off and on with an autohotkey (or equivalent) script. If I need to rest or wait for something with my hands on the hardware then I toggle the thing off with an easy-to-reach hotkey of some sort until i'm ready to actually type/mouse.

Likewise I hit F12 all the damn time because I'm aiming for the Home key, which is undersized on my keyboard, and they're right next to each other.

Great, now I need to wait 8 seconds while my browser re-renders some 40-meg page which could've been plain text.

On the other hand, if I ever think about using MailChimp to send spam, I hope someone would just come cut my hands off, then I won't need to care about hitting the wrong keys.

Same, because sometimes I hit Ctrl-Shift-C* to copy something by mistake, which opens the Console.

* The copy command for many terminal apps on linux

Same, it's maddening.

Reminds me of my habit of scrolling the mouse wheel above nonresponsive parts of the UI. I wore out the scrollwheel of my last mouse. Though I never thought of it as a tic, even though I have various tics myself. Doesn't open dev tools but it makes YouTube's Shorts feature absolutely unusable because the slightest scroll input will cause a switch to another video.

I regularly instruct users to open dev tools to clear their site-specific cookies because there doesn't seem to be a way of doing this without clearing _all_ cookies anymore other than in Dev Tools > Application

Not sure what browser you're referring to, but Firefox still allows you to clear site-specific cookies by clicking on the button to the left of the URL (usually a lock icon since most things are https these days)

The same thing works in Chrome and Edge too.

You can also do it in Settings: type "cookies" in the search box and it will list both an option to clear all data and an option for site-specific data.

Vivaldi, too; so, I guess, Chrome?

It's incredibly easy to do on a MB pro with a touch bar if you keep the function keys visible and tap the minus key with an open and relaxed hand. I preface my notes with -- and == so I do it fairly often.

I wonder if there's a plugin that could remove the context menu entry.

May not need one for firefox. Disable devtools.inspector.enabled in about:config.

> I have a tic disorder (not Tourette's, because my tics are all nonverbal).

That's still Tourette's. Tourette's is described as an involuntary movement /or/ sound.

No. Tourette's is a tic disorder but not every tic is Tourette's. To quote Wikipedia:

> It is characterized by multiple movement (motor) tics and at least one vocal (phonic) tic.

> Tourette's is at the more severe end of a spectrum of tic disorders.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/tourette/diagnosis.html

> Tics are sudden twitches, movements, or sounds that people do repeatedly. People who have tics cannot stop their body from doing these things. For example, a person with a motor tic might keep blinking over and over, or a person with a vocal tic might make a grunting sound unwillingly.

> The tic disorders differ from each other in terms of the type of tic present (motor or vocal, or a combination of both)

Why did you omit the immediately visible listing of three different tic disorders in your source?

    Three tic disorders are included in the DSM-5:
        - Tourette syndrome (TS, sometimes called Tourette disorder)
        - Persistent (sometimes called chronic) motor or vocal tic disorder
        - Provisional tic disorder

Again, tics don't automatically mean Tourette's.

> Again, tics don't automatically mean Tourette's.

And a non-verbal tic doesn't automatically mean it's not Tourette's.

A diagnosis of Tourette’s requires multiple motor tics and at least one verbal tic.

EDIT: “vocal,” I should say, not “verbal”

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/tourette/diagnosis.html

> The tic disorders differ from each other in terms of the type of tic present (motor or vocal, or a combination of both)

From that same page:

> To be diagnosed with TS, a person must

> * have two or more motor tics (for example, blinking or shrugging the shoulders) and at least one vocal tic (for example, humming, clearing the throat, or yelling out a word or phrase), although they might not always happen at the same time.

Strange that you are the expert on someone else's disorder, no?

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/tourette/diagnosis.html

> The tic disorders differ from each other in terms of the type of tic present (motor or vocal, or a combination of both)

If someone says they have a disorder that isn’t Tourette’s but is a bit like Tourette’s I just can’t fathom why someone with no other knowledge of the situation would be intent on somehow “proving them wrong” and establishing that it is Tourette’s.

The link you posted establishes that Tourette’s is a tic disorder. The person says they have a tic disorder that isn’t Tourette’s. I’m perfectly happy to take them at their word about that.

He claimed his is not Tourette's because his are "nonverbal", just because a tic is nonverbal doesn't magically mean it's not Tourette's.

You /assume/ I have no knowledge.

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